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Post by LPL on Oct 13, 2012 12:23:29 GMT 1
There appears to be no set time on these things.
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Post by ezylpl on Oct 13, 2012 13:18:43 GMT 1
Ryanair services usually go on sale a lot later than most other airlines, so really we've got until the end of november/december to hear something from Ryanair.
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Post by johnoakes on Oct 13, 2012 18:05:03 GMT 1
I really think we missed a trick when Branson lost the rail franchise--the managemant team should have given their all to get him re reinstate a LJLA to Heathrow service--we have some call on the slots due to BMI pulling out and now cutting back. We could have really used that. How is it we on the forum seem to see potential and the management team remain silent and anonymous--it would do morale no harm to report near missses ,it at least would make us think SOMETHING was going on--the current trend for LJLA is depressing. Sorry if this rant oversteps a bit but I am surely not the only loyal spotter/photographer who feels passionately about current events. Rather than start a problem that could lead to the forum shutting down send you thoughts direct to my e mail address or the forum private line. End of ,I feel,a justified rant. Sorry in anticipation Dave.LOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 21:32:10 GMT 1
how long in advance are routes planned, announced, agreed. Surely it can't be a quick decision thing.. Will Ryanair look at the routes easy dropped and think we can get in there? Don't know how all this works.. It's quite simple, airlines like all anyother business are in it to make money. They have to predict demand many months ahead and agree airport charges prior to any route decisions being made/publicized. Ryanair will probably look at easyJet routes being dropped but as they have larger (and possibly more expensive to run) aircraft it's unlikely they will be able to make profits where easyJet can't. The problem LPL are facing could either be the deals MAN are making with both easy and Ryan or, VAS are asking far too much for the local market to bear. The latter may not only be from the airlines but passengers too. Passengers may well feel (and justifiably so) that they are being ripped off (parking charges/red route fines etc) whilst using LPL and transferring their allegiance to other airports. Remember (prior to the internet) if people have a good experience they will tell a couple of friends if not they will tell at least 9 other people, with the popularity of social networking sites multiply that by a least 10. Perhaps this is why there is no expansion at any of the VAS/Peal airports this year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 22:28:58 GMT 1
Mission creep I know and probably not the most popular view, however living in North Wales I'm equidistant between LPL and MAN and fly quite frequently.
There are 2 major negatives each time I fly through LPL and I guess others will have the same perception:
1/ Queuing back outside in cold/wet weather to reach passport control.
2/ Having to walk the entire length of the Terminal building after de-planeing.
Bottom line is that I feel a valued and important customer each time I fly through T1/2/3 at MAN but unfortunately I don't feel that at LPL.
If my perception is shared by many others and fed back through customer satisfaction surveys I can fully understand why the business development opportunities are biased by the airlines towards MAN.
Sorry if this upsets some of you but it is a genuine perception.
GC
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Post by ezs942 on Oct 13, 2012 23:06:18 GMT 1
come on MODS.. lets have a LPL discussion section please.. for our rumors and day to day gossip, Ta.
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Post by ezylpl on Oct 14, 2012 11:45:56 GMT 1
come on MODS.. lets have a LPL discussion section please.. for our rumors and day to day gossip, Ta. I'll second that!
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Post by steh on Oct 14, 2012 14:32:34 GMT 1
I think we need to be realistic about easyjets Manchester expansion. Lo-cost airlines are now obliterating the short haul charter market, they are stepping in to hoover up the lost charter passengers there, it was always a case of when not if that would happen. As long as there is no more reduction in Liverpool we should be happy with what we have got, their statement on Friday that they want to grow from all airports and Liverpool remains a key destination is encouraging. I think posts re RIP are negative in the extreme and unrealistic, but do agree with others about the fact reduced traffic at Doncaster, Durham and Liverpool seems to point to a common demominator in terms of ownership of those airports and begs the question what are they doing to get airlines flying from there. Rather than demand more routes from easyjet and ryanair, I'd rather hope the airport bosses instead take on board comments from silverback and others re why Manchester is preferred by some who are equidistant, which will then encourage them to expand again and potentially get other airlines in.
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Post by LPL on Oct 14, 2012 14:38:06 GMT 1
I think posts re RIP are negative in the extreme and unrealistic, but do agree with others about the fact reduced traffic at Doncaster, Durham and Liverpool seems to point to a common demominator in terms of ownership of those airports and begs the question what are they doing to get airlines flying from there. Durham isnt owned by the same owners of Liverpool and DSA. I'd rather hope the airport bosses instead take on board comments from silverback and others re why Manchester is preferred by some who are equidistant, which will then encourage them to expand again and potentially get other airlines in. People should also factor in the OTP at MAN then seeing as they have nearly one in four being late.
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Post by steh on Oct 14, 2012 16:43:06 GMT 1
People should also factor in the OTP at MAN then seeing as they have nearly one in four being late. Which you would hope would be a major factor for lo-cost airlines, and eventually attract more or persuade easyjet to begin expanding again. Re the ownership, I know Durham was sold lately to Peel (?), can't get my head around exactly what's what, I meant the same overall group or am I barking up the wrong tree completely to put Durham with Liverpool and Doncaster? Humberside has announced quite a few charter routes for next summer, potentially that may have gone from Doncaster. Given Humberside is owned by the Manchester Airports Group, they seem to be doing something right that VAG aren't in terms of getting airlines to fly from there.
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Post by LPL on Oct 14, 2012 16:50:36 GMT 1
Its easy, VAG are not involved in Durham.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Oct 14, 2012 17:36:38 GMT 1
And I think I'm right in saying that MAG no longer own Humberside.
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Post by khardwk on Oct 14, 2012 18:07:54 GMT 1
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Post by ronturner on Oct 15, 2012 9:09:32 GMT 1
Was not all off this inevitable? That's not to say it should be taken lying down though! After all the lo costs came along with a business model which did not fit with the premier league airports, so they went elsewhere. In doing so, and because it was all so successful, the major airports have been hurt and it is double whammy because of the overall economic situation. The risk to Liverpool has always been to have had its eggs in one basket, ok maybe two, and the trick now is to keep going , with a different but maybe more profitable business, as Manchester reclaims its place in the world. It was good while it lasted........ but it is not necessarily over.
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Post by baldyman26 on Oct 15, 2012 12:28:31 GMT 1
I said years ago that this would happen one day. The Loco's are like Magpies. By starting at Manchester they hope to steal loyal Monarch / Thomas cook / Thomson customers. There is business for Liverpool, the people who get paid to just have to go out and find it. I honestly don't see Easy pulling out of Liverpool(although god only knows what Ryanair will do). I think they are pulling back a little to get a better deal from LPL. It's a case of who backs down first !!.
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