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Post by canuk01 on Nov 24, 2012 17:58:49 GMT 1
Does anyone have any photo's from the old airfield of the two aircraft that used to be on the wartime side of Runway 22 close to what used to be a firing range.
I think they were a DC4 and a Hunter if memory serves me well.
Secondly, does anyone have a photo of the MAS Vampire that we had loan of between 1971 and 1973. I think the serial was WZ553.
Hope someone can help. thank you for looking,
Paul
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Post by dave1955 on Dec 6, 2012 19:02:42 GMT 1
Hi Paul, I took this photo of Starways Douglas C54 Skymaster G-ARIY at Liverpool Airport during one of the air displays in the early seventies. Sorry I don't have one of the Hunter but I remember it well, think it was silver in colour. Shame that they both ended up on the fire dump!  Taken with a Kodak Instamatic 33 camera on Agfa 126 Slide Film. Digitally scanned from a 28x28mm transparency. Anyway, hope this one helps. Dave   |
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Post by Speke-EZY on Dec 7, 2012 20:23:16 GMT 1
Hi Paul,
Sorry I don't have a photo of the Hunter either but the airframe serial number was WT683,though it was inaccurately marked "M7535" instead of the correct maintenanace number presentation 7535M. This info may help you to search for a picture of the aircraft.
Cheers,Keith
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Post by viscount on Mar 30, 2013 17:46:07 GMT 1
Added in much later, these two 22nd January 1966 shots are more relevant here than at the bottom of the thread. Construction of the 'link' taxiway to the new runway can be seen in the background of the Hunter shot. These photos are only days after the aircraft were positioned over on the southern boundary, not far from the WWII period 'gun-butts' building.   As usual with me, found this while looking for something else! The slide has the date August 1973 written on it - which is impossible as I did not fly anywhere in August 1973 and the background trees are awfully bare of leaves for summer! Therefore presumably March 1973, when I did go flying in Air Anglia Dakota G-AOBN, we departed from 26 and I was sat behind the wing on the port side. Clearly we are just airbourne off 26, just beyond the intersection of 26/08 and the former 04/22 which at that point it is a taxiway to the new runway and south airfield. Below, the Douglas C-54 and the Hawker Hunter are both clearly visible. The gun-butts firing range building are beyond the Hunter, the start of 'the bund' bank around the back of Speke Hall is beyond the Skymaster.  The OP of this thread also asked about the MAS Vampire WZ553. There are 2 photos of it assembled at Speke Air Display 1973 on the thread 'Liverpool Air Displays'. Photos on page 2 of this thread: derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/130/liverpool-airport-airshows-images-restoredWZ553/40 arrived at Liverpool for the MAS from dismantled storage near Woodford 15th March 1973, and was soon assembled in the rear of No.1 hangar. Sometime after the 1974 Air Display, it was dismantled, treated and placed in long-term storage, with the larger pieces in No.1 hangar, the booms and other sections in the MAS storeroom annex to No.2 hangar (the former boiler room). Although the aim was to store the aircraft indoors long-term, it departed Liverpool for Castle Donington and LLAMPS 10th March 1979 as the costs of storage became a strain on the Society's finances.   |
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Post by viscount on Mar 19, 2018 23:27:38 GMT 1
AIRCRAFT USED BY THE LIVERPOOL AIRPORT FIRE SERVICE Having been reminded about activity on the fire dump at Liverpool off-forum, I consulted this thread thinking there were more illustrations here. As a result I have returned my sole image to view (wiped out by host Photobucket), and by way of 'bumping up' up this thread, feel it worth recording which aircraft have graced the Liverpool 'fire pits' over the years. This list is only of aircraft placed out on the airfield for purposes of actual fire-fighting or rescue training. Aircraft simply dismantled and taken away as scrap are not included. Avro Anson I, N9828Several former military Avro Anson Is were acquired by Federated Air Transport during 1956 for spares to keep their civilian registered aircraft flying. The first to arrive, N9828 when eventually stripped of everything useful was handed over to the fire service for destructive fire training early in 1957. The fabric covering burnt off quickly. Wooden components, including much of the wing structure, did not last long either, the metal components falling apart rapidly once the wood had gone, so the aircraft did not last long. .jpg)  Effectively a 'before' and 'after' photo of Anson I N9828 shortly after arrival by air to Speke, then shortly before removal of her frame. EE Canberra rear fuselageA Canberra tail section arrived for the Fire Service sometime around August 1957, however was moved on after only a few months. The full serial may never have been identified, however is recorded as having a partial serial WH64- visible. Hawker Hunter, once WT683On, or around 5th January 1966 Hawker Hunter WT683, marked M7535 (in error a maintenance serial should be 7535M) arrived from RAF Burtonwood, where it had been for much of the previous year. It was placed on its belly, near the former gun-butts structure on the Southern, Speke Hall boundary. Used alongside the Skymaster for many years, the fuselage was slowly destroyed by live fire practice. We stopped recording the airframe as present at Liverpool Airport in 1987, by which time little more than the wing tips and scattered pieces of metal survived. Twenty years of near survival on a fire dump is far longer than average! Douglas C-54 Skymaster, G-ARIY When Starways ceased operations on 31st December 1963 their fleet mostly went out on lease from Aviation Overhauls using the former Starways hangar. Douglas C-54 Skymaster G-ARIY was the only one of the Starways fleet never to fly again. After many months being reduced to spares in the hangar, the basic fuselage and wings structure was sold 12th January 1966 to the Airport Fire Brigade and transported down to a site on the southern boundary soon after, sat on her belly. Used for non-destructive rescue training and some live burning, the remains of the fuselage shell and wings survived until declared unsafe and removed by a scrapman on 2nd December 1975. It was rumoured strongly that the Skymaster would be replaced by a Vickers Varsity, then leaving RAF service in some numbers with many heading for station fire pits. Vickers Viscount 802, G-AOJBHowever, the replacement arrived by air on 1st April 1976 in the form of former British Airways Viscount 802 G-AOJB. The engines and useful parts were removed, including the outer wings, and on 19th October 1976 she was tugged across the airfield to a location down towards the river. There she was used for non-destructive rescue training, stood on her own undercarriage. After a few years, she was moved to a new location on the South airfield, at the 09 end. Here in addition to training use, she received attention from vandals. Eventually sold as scrap and removed by road during August 1988. DH.104 Doves, G-AJHX and G-AMUZThere have been two further short term occupants of the fire dump. In the early 1970s Mr White and Vernair acquired three DH.104 Dove aircraft for spares recovery. One, A2-ZFM was eventually dismantled and removed directly by a scrap-man. However two others, G-AJHX (arrived by air from Hawarden 8th December 1970) and G-AMUZ (arrived dismantled by road early 1971?) were both moved across the airfield 18th April 1974 and positioned by the Hunter and Skymaster. The still assembled G-AJHX was noted being used for fire training, however during August 1974, both aircraft were cut up and removed to a Castle Bromwich scrap dealer. Today, indeed for a number of years, fire and rescue training is undertaken on a purpose built rigs on the former 'spur' taxiway alongside the 09 end of the south airfield runway at the end of the 'link' taxiway. Actual aircraft are too fragile and with sharp metal edges too dangerous to provide repeated training exercises. 'Carmichael' Airfield Fire ApplianceFinally, for no better reason than I find I have this b&w photo ready scanned, an Airport Fire Appliance. A 'W' suffix places the registration as issued between August 1980 and July 1981, so was in service while the Viscount was in use as a training aid.  Finally, finally, in contrast two shots of the purpose built fire and rescue training rig in action, October 2015, seen from outside the airfield boundary.   |
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Post by trijet on Mar 27, 2018 16:35:58 GMT 1
AIRCRAFT USED BY THE LIVERPOOL AIRPORT FIRE SERVICE Vickers Viscount 802, G-AOJBHowever, the replacement arrived by air on 1st April 1976 in the form of former British Airways Viscount 802 G-AOJB. The engines and useful parts were removed, including the outer wings, and on 19th October 1976 she was tugged across the airfield to a location down towards the river. There she was used for non-destructive rescue training, stood on her own undercarriage. After a few years, she was moved to a new location on the South airfield, at the 09 end. Here in addition to training use, she received attention from vandals. Eventually sold as scrap and removed by road during August 1988. G-AOJB photographed during the harsh winter of 1981-82.  G-AOJB by Trijet200, on Flickr ..and here finally on the North airfield in mid-1984  G-AOJB 1984 by Trijet200, on Flickr |
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Post by peterg on Jun 19, 2018 22:28:50 GMT 1
Three shots of the Viscount when it was outside the Fire Station (S3 "The Barn") on the Southern Airfield. The first one I found on the internet, so I don't know who the owner is to give credit to, it is taken from the entrance gate of the Fire Station. This belongs to a good friend of mine John Pardoe Matthews, John was stationed at the Barn for many years and took this photograph of the Viscount being used on an exercise by the fire brigade to rescue passengers from a smoke filled cabin   |
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Post by ilt on Jun 26, 2018 12:33:35 GMT 1
As usual with me, found this while looking for something else! .....The gun-butts firing range building are beyond the Hunter, the start of 'the bund' bank around the back of Speke Hall is beyond the Skymaster. Good to see a photo that shows the Shooting In range. Anyone have a photo of the airfield battle headquarters (he asks hopefully!) |
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Post by lesmcs on Nov 3, 2018 0:10:21 GMT 1
My Uncle, Ronnie Godwin also worked in the airport fire service and I have fond memories as a child visiting the old barn with him infact the names mentioned in the above post seem familiar to me. Regards Les McS  |
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Post by peterg on May 24, 2019 22:29:31 GMT 1
Fire Brigade exercise early 1981.
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Post by viscount on Aug 24, 2021 13:03:46 GMT 1
Another thread with images now replaced and a few new ones added-in as a bonus. Some posts with 'dead' photos have been removed, although one has been left deliberately despite the watermark to compare damage done to the Skymaster fuselage over around ten years of use.
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