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Post by Chris B on Jun 24, 2013 18:35:41 GMT 1
Wizz W61011/681 from Katowice due 20.20 is being today being operated by HA-LPM
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Post by Beemer on Jun 24, 2013 20:16:28 GMT 1
As forecast by Chris B, EI-EVA RYR83UH Faro @ 20:11hrs was a  Regards Beemer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 21:19:24 GMT 1
Manchester currently closed due to a Thomas Cook aircraft suffering a catastrophic engine fail on the runway. It was no such thing. It was a birdstrike followed by a compressor surge or stall. If it was catastrophic, engine parts would have been wizzing through the fuselage and you would have been an eye witness on News at 10 !!!  |
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Post by speedbird1960 on Jun 24, 2013 22:00:48 GMT 1
G-EZFJ / U27144 from Palma de Mallorca due 22:10 if anyone needs it.
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Post by Chris B on Jun 24, 2013 22:12:55 GMT 1
EZFJ is one of our based aircraft arrived yesterday as EZY7008/62DN AMS-LPL ?
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Post by Monvillez on Jun 24, 2013 23:39:39 GMT 1
Manchester currently closed due to a Thomas Cook aircraft suffering a catastrophic engine fail on the runway. It was no such thing. It was a birdstrike followed by a compressor surge or stall. If it was catastrophic, engine parts would have been wizzing through the fuselage and you would have been an eye witness on News at 10 !!! Maestro, firstly sorry if you were a little sensative over the use of the words 'catastrophic engine fail'. The phrase catastrophic engine fail does not necessarily mean engine parts 'wizzing' into the cabin but it is catastrophic to the engine, this being a contained engine failure. As per Aviation Herald report in link below the airline have indeed confirmed the incident aircraft rejected takeoff due to an engine failure; Incident: Thomas Cook A332 at Manchester on Jun 24th 2013, rejected takeoffSecondly, this slow mo video shows the incident head on, no sign of bird, explosion in slow mo at 43 seconds; Jet engine explodes on runway, Airbus A330I was stood near the gentleman who shot this video in amongst the 05L landing lights, waiting for the Antonov. Thirdly I was listening to the radio chatter between the aircraft, tower, airfield ops and fire service and engine parts were found on the runway which were subsequently cleared. There is absolutely no evidence of a bird strike. Oh, and finally, why did you post this comment on this thread, a thread pertaining to movements at LJLA? I posted the exact same comment on the Manchester thread for today, may have been a better place to post your comment although you would have received the same riposte from me....  Garry |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 8:04:26 GMT 1
I'm sorry for your tetchy response; clearly touched a nerve.
Thanks for your, erm, education lesson on engine functionality; I'll place a copy of it in the back of my licences for future reference.
There was nothing catastrophic about this event, so I'm afraid your use or anyone else's use of the word was nothing more than sensationalism, as was the use of the word "exploded" referenced by you and the claim on other sites that it was an uncontained failure.
No evidence of birdstrike? You've done your inspection and boroscoped it then?
Still, let's not allow the facts of the matter to get in the way of arm chair incident investigators, pilots and engineers, eh.
I also apologise for correcting you in the LJLA side, though I saw your post on here first and responded accordingly, so on balance, I can hardly be criticised for doing so.
Sometimes I despair at the reaction when objective, factual clarification is posted to correct inaccurate assumption.
Therefore, I'll continue the educated discussion elsewhere on this matter and leave you to your spotting sensationalism.
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Post by Monvillez on Jun 25, 2013 10:04:43 GMT 1
I'm sorry for your tetchy response; clearly touched a nerve. Just perplexed by your anger at the word catastrophic which clearly touched a nerve... Thanks for your, erm, education lesson on engine functionality; I'll place a copy of it in the back of my licences for future reference. Can you please point out where I detailed such a lesson? as was the use of the word "exploded" referenced by you I have not used the word "exploded", this was the title of the video taken by another. No evidence of birdstrike? You've done your inspection and boroscoped it then? In fairness no I haven't, have you? Sometimes I despair at the reaction when objective, factual clarification is posted to correct inaccurate assumption. Factual clarification with your use of the word 'wizzing', a classic engineering term that... Look I was merely passing on information to our regular forum members and contributors in order that they may be able to log any frames they had not seen before as there were diverts into LJLA. As to my use of the phrase 'catastrophic engine failure', I stand by this as I believe that it what it was, catastrophic to the engine does not mean catastrophic to the aircraft in this instance. The AAIB regularly use the term 'catastrophic engine failure for contained and uncontained engine failures, you may want to take this up with their 'sensationalist' investigative engineers..... And for your information I don't crunch the numbers and therefore don't 'spot' as such, photography and a general interest in aviation is my driver. |
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Post by viscount on Jun 25, 2013 10:19:30 GMT 1
Can we please call a halt to this boroscoped examination of each others posts.
The moment that someone uses multiple quotes in a post, is a sign that discussion is moving towards polarised argument and sets off 'warning bells' with the administrators that enough is enough. Both sides make good and valid points - lets just leave it at that, please.
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Post by baldyman26 on Jun 25, 2013 11:20:42 GMT 1
Credit to that pilot (and cameraman!). I know pilots are trained to be alert but you can see by the swerving of the plane the effect the engine failure had. Cool heads prevented an accident there I think
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Post by ronturner on Jun 26, 2013 7:41:36 GMT 1
Nice bit of video. I should think that is the kind of thing the investigators will be interested in. Good response from all concerned including the emergency crews.
It will be interesting to find the cause. The "bang" was very definite.
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Regards Beemer.
