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Post by mokum1 on Aug 14, 2014 21:57:07 GMT 1
just been reading the very informative book "seventies Ringway" which gives snippets of diversions to Liverpool.the entry for 4th jan 1971 states that apart from man,both birmingham & prestwick were full & Liverpool was hindered by technical & handling issues after accepting so many aircraft.
again on 30th dec 1972 Liverpool received a large no of london diversions. as my own records only started in 1979 ,I was wondering if anyone had any records of what we received on both these dates ?
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Post by mw5 on Aug 17, 2014 20:50:48 GMT 1
Hi. Glad you enjoyed SEVENTIES RINGWAY. I was the one responsible for writing said publication. I have no records for January 1971 but I have the following that diverted into Liverpool on this date. However, this may be incomplete.
SATURDAY 30 DECEMBER 1972;
G-ARPI Trident 1 BEA
G-ARPS Trident 1 BEA
G-AVFG Trident 2 BEA
G-AVFL Trident 2 BEA
G-AWZG Trident 3 BEA
G-AWZI Trident 3 BEA
G-AWZK Trident 3 BEA
G-AWZL Trident 3 BEA
G-APFB Boeing 707 BOAC
G-APFI Boeing 707 BOAC
G-ASTJ BAC 1-11 British Caledonian
F-BHSF Boeing 707 Air France
OO-SBQ SE.210 Caravelle Sobelair
5X-UVA VC-10 East African Airways
9G-ABO VC-10 Ghana Airways
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Post by calflier on Aug 17, 2014 21:04:43 GMT 1
These are surely diverts into Manchester,from Heathrow,I dont remember a Ghana VC10 in Liverpool,also we did have an Air France 707 in LPL,but it wasnt a divert,I cant imagine what eight Tridents would have looked like at LPL! so I dont think this is a Liverpool divert list.
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Post by buspilot on Aug 18, 2014 8:30:34 GMT 1
The first listed BEA Trdent 1, G-ARPI, is the aircraft that crashed on take-off from Heathrow at Staines on 18 June 1972.
It therefore could not have been in either MAN or LPL on 30 December 1972.
The second listed BEA Trident1, G-ARPS, could not have been there either, as it was written off after a cabin fire at Heathrow on 29 July 1969.
Another that could not have been there was:
5X-UVA, East African VC10, crashed on 18 April 1972 and was destroyed.
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Post by andyh on Aug 18, 2014 8:49:03 GMT 1
According to Viscount's excellent history of the VC10 at Liverpool, we had two East African VC10 s visit on diversion from Heathrow, both in 1970. 5H-MOG diverted on 8th October 1970, followed by 5H-UVJ on 13th December. There is no mention of a Ghana Airways machine visiting. Perhaps the two machines listed in mw5's records declared an intention to divert to LPL but ended up elsewhere?
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Post by buspilot on Aug 18, 2014 9:10:40 GMT 1
5X-UVA didn't. Crashed at Addis-Ababa on take off.
See my post above.
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Post by calflier on Aug 18, 2014 10:01:40 GMT 1
This list is totally incorrect,as posted by Buspilot,I think the list was probably accepted in good faith,not sure why an Air France 707,would end up at Man anyway,however I did fly on a -328 turbojet,on the normal schedule,it replaced a Caravelle,which I never flew on!
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Post by buspilot on Aug 18, 2014 10:10:21 GMT 1
Wherever the list is for, it must be for a date prior to 29 July 1969, as evidenced by the demise of G-ARPS on that date.
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Post by cambrian5619 on Aug 18, 2014 13:30:13 GMT 1
just been reading the very informative book "seventies Ringway" which gives snippets of diversions to Liverpool.the entry for 4th jan 1971 states that apart from man,both birmingham & prestwick were full & Liverpool was hindered by technical & handling issues after accepting so many aircraft. again on 30th dec 1972 Liverpool received a large no of london diversions. as my own records only started in 1979 ,I was wondering if anyone had any records of what we received on both these dates ? I have a cutting from the Echo from the early 1970s which is of interest but unfortunately is undated - somebody might be able to date it from the list of aircraft: Airport Jammed as Europe flies into Liverpool – Liverpool Echo 1970’s? “Planes from all over Europe poured into Liverpool Airport last night in a two hour spell to give it the busiest night in its history.At one stage more than 1,000 people were jammed into the terminal building. A fleet of 30 coaches shuttled between the airport and Lime Street station where British Rail laid on an extra train to London…….And despite all the chaos and confusion a senior spokesman said today:” It all went remarkably smoothly.” The bonanza night began at around 6pm Manchester Airport had already taken 48 diverted aircraft when they called a halt and refused to take any more. Freezing fog had closed southern airports and aircraft from as far away as Athens, Rome and Malaga were diverted to Speke. In just two hours 20 aircraft nearly all carrying full loads had landed. How the planes came in Although the first of the diverted airliners touched down at Liverpool at 10.20 yesterday ,morning the big rush was between six and seven o’clock last night. This is how the timetable went: 10.20 am Cambrian 111 from Munich 1.57pm SAS DC9 from Copenhagen 4.45pm Northeast Trident from Munich 5.17pm Northeast Britannia from Munich 6pm BEA Trident from Stockholm 6.05pm Britannia Airways 737 from Munich 6.06pm Britannia Airways 737 from Munich 6.13pm BEA Trident from Rome 6.17pm Dan Air 111 from Malaga 6.19pm Fanjet Falcon from Antwerp 6.24pm British Midland Viscount from Dublin 6.27pm SAS DC9 from Copenhagen 6.36pm Kar Air DC6 from Helsinki 7.14pm BEA Trident from Athens 7.56pm BEA Super 111 from Hanover 8pm BEA Viscount from Inverness 8.36pm BEA Trident from Milan 8.54pm BEA Vanguard from Belfast 8.59pm Caledonian Super 111 from Turin 10.15pm BEA Trident from Madrid ……Mr Eric Wallington, the Airport’s Chief Administration Officer said today” It is remarkable how smoothly everything went considering the majority of aircraft landed within a couple of hours”…….. |
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Post by mw5 on Aug 18, 2014 16:57:55 GMT 1
I posted the original list in good faith. I should have known, at least, that G-ARPI & G-ARPS could not have been present.
The list was passed on to myself from a friend, who got the info from a copy of LAASI.
I understand the Ghana Airways was listed as 'diverted to Liverpool' & 'diverted to Stansted'. So could have been either or both or none...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:16:49 GMT 1
Wherever the list is for, it must be for a date prior to 29 July 1969, as evidenced by the demise of G-ARPS on that date. Unfortunately not. The Trident 3 didn't enter service until 1971 but that doesn't rule out mistaken identity, G-ARPS could have been G-ARPB etc. Viscount, or others, may have a log for that date. It's possible they could have been missed when compiling "The VC10 at Liverpool" list. |
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Post by mokum1 on Aug 18, 2014 20:54:06 GMT 1
many thanks to all for the replies. it must have been a great sight to see all those aircraft dotted about on the north airfield.
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Post by buspilot on Aug 18, 2014 22:58:41 GMT 1
Doubt it ste-t
I don't see how you can get three crashed aircraft on the same list, especially 5X-UVA, East African VC10, never mind the two Trident 1s and now the problem with 4 x Trident 3s being listed before they entered service. That's seven aircraft from a list of fifteen, almost 50% that could not have been there at LPL or MAN on that date.
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Post by viscount on Aug 20, 2014 12:30:14 GMT 1
I do not have access to the early 70's Liverpool visiting aircraft log-books. Will sort this one out as soon as I do. Certain we never had that many Tridents at once though, or the Ghana VC-10 and as already mentioned the only Air France Boeing 707 to call was on a charter flight.
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Post by ronturner on Aug 21, 2014 7:23:25 GMT 1
I have some photos of some of these. taken at night from the balcony and of somewhat dubious quality by today's standards. I have been searching for them without success, but will look further to see what can be produced. The photos I have, for sure, will be before October 1969.
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