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Post by harbourcotter on Jun 24, 2017 9:41:06 GMT 1
I have only read the Echos interpretation. As we are all aware, they are very error strewn and sloppy. They state the year 2050 for the masterplan, but elsewhere in the article they state that 12,000 jobs are to be created by 2030!. We shall have to wait for the actual masterplan to be available, but I think that the time span is for 2030, not 2050, which is a much more realistic period and would mean impressive growth if achieved. As for the runway, anti-Liverpool stance from Government (any party) and objections from Hale, it would take until 2050 just to sort out objections. However the extension to the runway is less than previously sought and is perhaps a more realistic and doable (eventually)
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Post by LPL on Jun 24, 2017 9:45:29 GMT 1
I am an optimistic person That's not impression I get from posts. The airport needs to be realistic in their approach because if they went full pelt at massive expansion it will be called in, probable limits imposed by the planning inquiry and the amount of money needed won't be available because an airport with 5 million pax won't have the same amount as one with 50 million pax.
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Post by frlpl91 on Jun 24, 2017 10:00:19 GMT 1
Was anything from the previous master plan made into reality?
I can't remember, but I read in the older master plan somewhere they wanted to be carrying 8 million by 2015 I think.
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Post by LPL on Jun 24, 2017 11:02:03 GMT 1
They were heading for that and then the recession came.
That just goes to show how outside forces come into play, masterplanning isn't an exact science.
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Post by davel on Jun 24, 2017 11:23:03 GMT 1
Maverick, perhaps you should look at the plan more closely as there is a viewing area on the road to the tower.
(Just looked at the plan shown on the airport website and it does not show a viewing area however this looks like a schematic diagram and not the full proposal, I have seen it and there is provision for a viewing area on the South side on road to the tower not far from first cargo area buildings.)
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Post by LPL on Jun 24, 2017 11:37:40 GMT 1
Indeed and it will double as a visitor centre and car park for the nature coastal path.
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Post by kuga59 on Jun 24, 2017 12:10:29 GMT 1
About time producing this. The old plan fell flat on its face mainly due to the recession in the 90's. The economy recovered into the late 90's and early 00's but then we had changes in ownership. When the current owners took over they had better projects to spend their money on e.g. Trafford Park, Liverpool 2. The timings were all wrong so very little has happened. Over the years I have said that the first thing that needs to happen is the runway extension and this is still the case with the new plan and as pointed out by many, will be difficult with all the potential objections to it. It's ok talking to airlines and businesses but without the runway it's just hot air.
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Post by lfc84 on Jun 24, 2017 12:36:41 GMT 1
what is the short term plan ?
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Post by davel on Jun 24, 2017 13:56:13 GMT 1
Complete revamp of arrivals is next to be done as far I know.
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Post by ronturner on Jun 24, 2017 14:20:54 GMT 1
Any business worth its salt will have a long term plan. These are objectives for growth, financing and the like, and these can be just wish lists, with some basis of fact for the optimism. The real meat must be in the medium and short term plans, which is where real capital, as opposed to fantasy capital, has to be raised.
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Post by maverick on Jun 24, 2017 16:17:09 GMT 1
Maverick, perhaps you should look at the plan more closely as there is a viewing area on the road to the tower. (Just looked at the plan shown on the airport website and it does not show a viewing area however this looks like a schematic diagram and not the full proposal, I have seen it and there is provision for a viewing area on the South side on road to the tower not far from first cargo area buildings.) I have and it's not shown on the stuff I was sent by the Airport. It's academic anyway because it'll never happen. First it was 'promised' by 2030 and now by 2050 by which time most of us enthusiasts will be in care homes or pushing up daisies... At the rate they are going we will be lucky if they've closed dungeon lane by 2050 anyway. 😀
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Post by bulldog on Jun 24, 2017 16:52:05 GMT 1
I flew out of Manchester to paphos last Sunday afternoon. .the place was totally rammed. Suspect they will run out of terminal space before their redevelopment so we may see bit more growth quicker than 30 years. We were in T1 on ezy, us and a jet2 flight both went to paphos 5 min apart. Maybe that weould be a good one for blue air. I didn't realise quite how big jet2 is at Manchester now .
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Post by andyh on Jun 24, 2017 19:29:47 GMT 1
Nothing was 'promised' in the previous Masterplan and nothing will be 'promised' in this one, I am sure. As pointed out by LPL Masterplans provide a view of a company's long term ambitions. They offer a framework against which a local planning authority can measure subsequent projects and development proposals and are only ever indicative.
A number of the proposals in the 2007 Masterplan did happen- two hotels, the multi-storey car park and the eastern extension to the terminal building. You also have to remember (much as we may try to forget) the ill-judged sale to the Canadians which effectively stalled growth for best part of 5 years.
I'll reserve further judgment until I have seen the more detailed proposals and phasing.
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Post by Airbus A346 on Jun 25, 2017 13:11:59 GMT 1
Was anything from the previous master plan made into reality? .......... exactly, how long have we waited for an upgraded ILS system and associated runway end sterile area ? Can I have some of whatever they are smoking LoL
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Post by LPL on Jun 26, 2017 11:15:02 GMT 1
I read that it won't be fully released until Monday. Masterplans are a necessity for city planners and is requirement whether it's needed/liked or not. It seems to me more people on here are only concerned with registrations and if they if the can get free parking outside the terminal. Full 50 page document now online www.liverpoolairport.com/media/2561/ljla-master-plan-to-2050-full-document.pdf
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