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Post by acklington on Dec 18, 2017 21:44:50 GMT 1
How prolific were those lovely Doves in the 1960's Here is one used by the NCB. I read that the NCB Dove G-ARUM was nick-named "Snow White". That's because you could only get seven dwarfs inside it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:43:17 GMT 1
Nice photo Ron. Looks like Snow White's sister may have found her prince The departing Dak in the background is intriguing. Thought it might be Cambrian but there appears to be too much red on the under belly for that. Did you get a photo of it before it took off? I'm saying took off as the tail wheel appears to be on the ground a little too far down the runway to be landing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 0:50:52 GMT 1
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Post by ronturner on Dec 19, 2017 8:23:40 GMT 1
Sorry, I do not have the details or a photo of the Dak. I have a side note on the side of my card index indicating it might be ex Starways/BWI but its anybody's guess as to what it actually is.
According to the logs for 1964, the Dove was from Hawarden, clearing customs, on route to Biarritz for its delivery flight.
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Post by viscount on Dec 19, 2017 9:56:14 GMT 1
Had a feeling the caption to the Dove CN-MBB photo needed more information. Now looked it up, and find that the date was Saturday 30th May 1964, the aircraft, CN-MBB was a brand new DH.104 Dove 7 C/no.04535 on delivery from Hawarden for Customs clearance and onward to Biarritz on the first leg of delivery to the Moroccan Ministry of Defense. It was one of two, the other being CN-MBA, both handed over on 28th May, however CN-MBA must have left on a working day and cleared Customs at Hawarden. The Sultan of Morocco had a Heron CN-MAA 1957-1972, which passed through Speke in June and August 1964, en route to and from maintenance by DH at Chester. The King of Jordan also had two Doves. This maybe where some confusion has crept in, as the King of Jordan DID visit Liverpool Airport in the early 60s - although in a RAF DH.104 Devon! As to the Dakota in the far distance, at (or near) the 35 threshold. By May 1964 Starways had ceased operations, so the only regular Dakota operators at the time would have been Cambrian and Dan Air. Aer Lingus were in their very last months of Dakota operation. Don't have a Dan Air schedule for May '64 but doubt they had a Saturday am departure. Cambrian likely did to Cardiff. Aviation Overhauls (who took-over the Starways fleet) did have G-AMPO out on lease to BWA (British Westpoint Airlines) January to December 1964, which might have been back for a check - but being a 'resident' was not noted in Phil Butler's Visiting Aircraft Movements log. One other candidate is in the Logs, Silver City's Dakota G-ALPN which the previous day operated Squires Gate (Blackpool)-Speke-Hamburg-Speke-Squires Gate on a charter. Usually the last positioning leg flown the following morning (due crew hours or airport hours?), although not noted on this occasion as night stopping. Silver City had a mid-blue cheat-line, though I don't really see 'red' on the image, Ron might be able to zoom-in on the higher res original scan, however my money would be on a Cambrian Dak. as the most likely. Did any of the Cambrian Dakotas have red wings, matching the BEA 'Red Square' scheme of the period? Just wasted a fair amount of time looking for old photos of Cambrian Daks, but can only find silver wings! There has been a comment about just how common DH Dove aircraft were at Liverpool in 1964? A look at the thread on nwan derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/20533/complete-visiting-aircraft-logs-review - shows how frequently Doves and Devons appear in the daily listings. The tables that follow the main log show that in 1964 no less than 52 different Dove/Devons visited in the year, this contrasts with 40 twin Pipers (Apache, Aztec, Twin Comanche); 18 Beech Twins (Queen Air, Baron, Travel Air, Twin Bonanza); 18 twin Cessna (Cessna 310, Cessna 336/337); and 11 Percival twins (Prince, Pembroke). Avro Ansons, Airspeed Consuls and DH Dragon Rapides had just rapidly declined in numbers due to new C of A regulations. So Doves were indeed far more numerous than the twins of any other manufacturer at the time, let alone any other twin design at more than double the number, top being 21 Aztecs (the 9 Apaches were counted separately at the time).
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Post by ronturner on Dec 19, 2017 10:25:42 GMT 1
Zooming in on the original, there is definitely red on the upper part of the front and I would say that it was more likely Cambrian. I seem to remember the Dan Air has a red band and a good sized black surface in front of the windows. Cambrian had a smaller black zone, more red. So I go for that.
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Post by ronturner on Dec 20, 2017 15:47:54 GMT 1
Here is a picture of buses. Yes, I know it could be thread drift, but they were the conveyance of the dignatories for the opening of 10/28 as it was then, on May 7th 1966. The post and tape, were the remnants of the tape which was cut by the Duke of Edinburgh. Photo taken from one of said buses at the head of the stream as we turned round and pulled away. 1966 may 7th Speke 1 1024 by Ron Turner, on Flickr
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