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Post by dalten1 on Jan 31, 2019 23:37:15 GMT 1
A lot of information is posted about passenger figures. As Liverpool is experiencing a bumper period of cargo flights, is anybody compiling information on cargo tonnage etc. Unfortunately I don't think any regular cargo flights are operated anymore. Not even the Antonov to the IOM has opated as far as I know. I would like to be told otherwise.
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Post by 8miles27 on Feb 1, 2019 10:40:33 GMT 1
For 2018: Very poor up to and including October with 55 metric tonnes. Then 59 in November and 45 in December totalling 159 for the year up 29% on 2017.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 1, 2019 16:53:38 GMT 1
For 2018: Very poor up to and including October with 55 metric tonnes. Then 59 in November and 45 in December totalling 159 for the year up 29% on 2017. Obviously the aircraft are not carrying major loads. In the old days you could get 3 tonnes of newspapers on an 8 series Viscount. They could only occupy the centre section of the aircraft as the Sunday supplements especially were very heavy. I assume even the JOTA 146's have similar load capacities.
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Post by andyh on Feb 1, 2019 18:24:11 GMT 1
Capacity and payload are very different things. I recall a tale of a Hapag Lloyd A300/A310 that flew in years ago, full to the rafters - of foam seat cushions! Full to capacity, next to nothing in term of payload.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 1, 2019 19:05:39 GMT 1
Capacity and payload are very different things. I recall a tale of a Hapag Lloyd A300/A310 that flew in years ago, full to the rafters - of foam seat cushions! Full to capacity, next to nothing in term of payload. That's the point I was making. The biz jets used in particular have very little payload after the pilot and fuel are subtracted from max take-off weight.I may be phrasing it incorre ctly. We don't get that many big jets any more.I don't know if the flights we've had recently are due to European weather problems or not.
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Post by viscount on Feb 1, 2019 23:56:04 GMT 1
As has been stated, motor components tend to be bulky rather than dense weight. Newspapers are densely packed so heavy. However, newspapers by air across the Irish Sea are now a thing of the past - digital technology has seen to that. While there are still daily 'papers to the Isle of Man, for the moment it would appear that the ferry has that contract sown up.
The good thing is that LJLA are now processing freight again, albeit on an 'ad hoc' basis. The days of a based freight carrier passed with demise of Emerald. Edwin Air Cargo may yet pull a rabbit-out-of-the-hat with regular contract work, we will have to wait with fingers crossed and see if that happens.
While we can look to the ever more distant past regarding motor components, Irish Sea cargo, newspapers and night mail - the transportation world has moved on since and we are unlikely for the foreseeable future to recover to the figures of the past - but a current upward trend, even if from near rock-bottom is to be applauded, and certainly from the viewpoint of the aviation enthusiast is providing welcome variety in terms of operators and types. Congratulations to Wynne Freight for their enterprise. From little acorns mighty oaks can grow, I would not knock the relatively light loads brought in by biz-jet, small twins and even helicopter - it collectively all adds up in the end.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 2, 2019 9:31:21 GMT 1
A lot of information is posted about passenger figures. As Liverpool is experiencing a bumper period of cargo flights, is anybody compiling information on cargo tonnage etc. Unfortunately I don't think any regular cargo flights are operated anymore. Not even the Antonov to the IOM has opated as far as I know. I would like to be told otherwise. East Midlands is the place that won on the air cargo front. They got the mail flights, after a short spell at Coventry, I think. Then they wrested the Transatlantic courier flights from Stansted. They spent tens of millions lengthening their runway and expanding their apron.I personally don't know if mail flights still operate anymore. All this is just a comment on different airports fortunes.
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Post by LPL on Feb 2, 2019 12:14:34 GMT 1
There was the small matter too of RMs boss moving it to EMAs. He was born and bred in Derby and also became chairmen of Derby County.
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Post by viscount on Feb 2, 2019 12:21:36 GMT 1
The majority of figures quoted on the LJLA section of this forum are derived from those published monthly by the CAA and are available to all on their web-site. There are lots of statistics published the CAA, those of most interest to us here are those for Liverpool: passengers by route, total monthly passengers etc., but do take some finding in the tables published. It is a big 'thank you' to "8miles27" and others who abstract the information for nwan forum members that we get so much detailed information provided from the CAA stats. The monthly CAA stats are around 6-8 weeks (I think) after the end of the month they refer to.
Until recently freight has been of little significance, so with little to nothing to report has been largely ignored - with an increase in freight activity there will now be something to report!
Dalten1, are you a member of the 'Friends of Liverpool Airport'? I ask as they, in their quarterly newsletter digest and consider LJLA passenger figures and place them in a context of activity at other British airport's.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 2, 2019 12:40:22 GMT 1
The majority of figures quoted on the LJLA section of this forum are derived from those published monthly by the CAA and are available to all on their web-site. There are lots of statistics published the CAA, those of most interest to us here are those for Liverpool: passengers by route, total monthly passengers etc., but do take some finding in the tables published. It is a big 'thank you' to "8miles27" and others who abstract the information for nwan forum members that we get so much detailed information provided from the CAA stats. The monthly CAA stats are around 6-8 weeks (I think) after the end of the month they refer to. Until recently freight has been of little significance, so with little to nothing to report has been largely ignored - with an increase in freight activity there will now be something to report! Dalten1, are you a member of the 'Friends of Liverpool Airport'? I ask as they, in their quarterly newsletter digest and consider LJLA passenger figures and place them in a context of activity at other British airport's. Thanks for your input to my original post Viscount.I was a member of FOLA many years ago (Old Terminal old), but am not now. I hope it is Wynn that are generating the cargo flight increase, as this boost may be short lived. I didn't get a reply or comment to my question about the flights being weather related in Europe. They have had far worse weather than us. I think I have exhausted this subject now, so will try and restrain myself.
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Post by monty on Feb 2, 2019 14:29:01 GMT 1
Yet another poster who wants all the information provided to them (which is available often anyway by 8miles27 on a regularly updated thread), kindly gets it yet is still not happy when an obscure question goes unanswerd. Restrain yourself from what exactly? “Is the increase in cargo weather related” I’m not sure if this means are they diverting in from places such as Liege due to bad weather at Liege, or is it due to road traffic being stuck which requires air cargo to step in? Basically you are insinuating/hoping that the increase in cargo is purely a fluke and nothing to do with a new cargo operator doing well which have their movements publicised on here. Yes it’s due to Wynne and let’s hope it continues as it is a POSITIVE step for the airport after very little cargo.
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Post by kuga59 on Feb 2, 2019 15:55:07 GMT 1
A lot of information is posted about passenger figures. As Liverpool is experiencing a bumper period of cargo flights, is anybody compiling information on cargo tonnage etc. Unfortunately I don't think any regular cargo flights are operated anymore. Not even the Antonov to the IOM has opated as far as I know. I would like to be told otherwise. East Midlands is the place that won on the air cargo front. They got the mail flights, after a short spell at Coventry, I think. Then they wrested the Transatlantic courier flights from Stansted. They spent tens of millions lengthening their runway and expanding their apron.I personally don't know if mail flights still operate anymore. All this is just a comment on different airports fortunes. Just to comment on freight flights into Stansted. UPS & FedEx still have several daily flights from the USA and Europe. Both have large facilities both on and off the airport. Qatar, Cargolux & Atlas in all their forms also have daily flights. Also several other US carriers are seen daily. Also some major Eoropean airlines operate several times a week.Other airlines operate mail flights e.g. Logan Air, Jet 2 & West Jet. The only parcel carrier who appears to be absent is TNT. Air freight is alive and well and growing.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 2, 2019 22:11:07 GMT 1
Yet another poster who wants all the information provided to them (which is available often anyway by 8miles27 on a regularly updated thread), kindly gets it yet is still not happy when an obscure question goes unanswerd. Restrain yourself from what exactly? “Is the increase in cargo weather related” I’m not sure if this means are they diverting in from places such as Liege due to bad weather at Liege, or is it due to road traffic being stuck which requires air cargo to step in? Basically you are insinuating/hoping that the increase in cargo is purely a fluke and nothing to do with a new cargo operator doing well which have their movements publicised on here. Yes it’s due to Wynne and let’s hope it continues as it is a POSITIVE step for the airport after very little cargo. This seems a very aggressive response to quite innocent questions and observations from somebody a long way from the action.I'm not going to get embroiled in another of the forums recent slanging matches. I am not going to put any more posts on this matter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:53:31 GMT 1
I think it was a little harsh too. I thought it was a reasonable enough question but obviously no-one on the forum knows the answer to it. The responses you did get lead to an interesting discussion and were in the main very positive and informative. Hope monty's response hasn't put you or any other would be posters off asking questions.
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Post by dalten1 on Feb 2, 2019 23:04:34 GMT 1
I think it was a little harsh too. I thought it was a reasonable enough question but obviously no-one on the forum knows the answer to it. The responses you did get lead to an interesting discussion and were in the main very positive and informative. Hope monty's response hasn't put you or any other would be posters off asking questions. Thanks ste-t.
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