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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 16:49:11 GMT 1
Surely the reason for the additional cargo flights is the local vehicle manufacturers making sure they have plenty of spare parts in the event of the UK dropping out of the EU. Car manufacturers hold their stock on a just-in-time basis. In other words, they normally do not hold large amounts of stock components because they don't pay for them until they receive them. The system, invented by the Japanese, works fine until there is a glitch. Going back to my days at Cambrian, I can well remember the seats being taken out of a Viscount late at night on numerous occasions for a run over to Cologne or even Valencia to collect components from the Ford factory there, because the supply chain had broken down locally.
On the subject of the mail, personally I think it is a scandal that despite that the IOM's closest connections are in the NW, the mail is trucked to EMA. Of course the problem is that the locos do not want to carry mail, so it all has to go on a freighter, or by sea. The Steam Packet must have rubbed their hands when the locos appeared on the IOM routes. Incidentally, mail pays a significant premium over ordinary cargo and there are a lot of questions asked if it is late. Maybe Edwin Air Cargo were hoping to pick up the contract for this locally. In my days at Cambrian, admittedly a long time ago, when we used to run a cargo and mail flight over seven days a week, the cargo warehouse was always full. They don't make washing machines and fridges over there!
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Post by ronturner on Feb 3, 2019 21:10:24 GMT 1
A couple of observations from the post of Gastonboy from one who spent most of his life in manufacturing. The just in time idea was certainly exploited and widely exporter by the Japanese but certainly not an idea invented by them. In fact I first came across this principle in 1972 when I joined Pye at Malmesbury and discovered it was a technique employed there as far back as 1940 when making radar sets. The principle refers to the delivery of parts just in time at various parts of the process within a factory and has been extended to the delivery of parts from third parties. This is where it gets interesting because the larger companies. Such as car manufacturers and food manufacturers call for their materials to be delivered at specific times. Thus the parts manufacturers are compelled to hold stocks in a warehouse nearby. So they take the financial burden, and in the same way Walkers get the farmers to hold stocks of potatoes until the day the want them. How the current flights fit into this I cannot really guess but I imagine it is the parts suppliers making sure their warehouses have the stocks ready to supply the end manufacturer when required.
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Post by 8miles27 on Feb 5, 2019 11:26:10 GMT 1
FREIGHT CHARTERS 9th Jan Jota B463 GJOTE from Southend to Gothenburg o/b freight 9th Jan Flightline Metro ECGXJ from Gothenburg to Bratislava 10th ? 10th Jan Jota B463 GJOTE from Gothenburg to Gothenburg o/b freight 10th Jan Sky Taxi B762 SPMRF from Rzeszow,Poland to Liege 14th i/b freight 10th Jan Air Taxi Europe C406 DIATE from Ostrava,Czech R. to Gyor,Hungary ? 29th Jan Air Hamburg C56X DCEFO 29th Jan Flightline Metro ECJIP from Paderborn to Zaragoza 30th i/b freight 29th Jan Businesswings C208 DFALK from Paderborn to Kassel div CVT 30th i/b freight 29th Jan Zimex Aviation ATR72 HBALL from Maarstrict to ? 2nd Feb i/b freight 30th Jan Jota B463 GJOTE from Munster to Paderborn 31st i/b freight 31st Jan RAF Avia An26 YLRAD from Ostend to Cork i/b freight 31st Jan Sky Taxi SF340 SPMRB from Ostend to ? i/b freight 31st Jan Jota B463 GJOTE from Paderborn to Southend 1st Feb i/b freight 31st Jan Sprinter SF340 SPKPR from Paderborn to Warsaw i/b freight 1st Feb Air Estonia SF340 ESNSA from Wroclaw to ? 4th ? 1st Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPZ from Paderborn to Liege i/b freight 1st Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPU from Paderborn to ? i/b freight 1st Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPK from Paderborn to Liege 2nd i/b freight 2nd Feb Sprinter SF340 SPKPZ from Paderborn to Liege i/b freight 4th Feb Sprinter SF340 SPKPU from Paderborn to Liege i/b freight 4th Feb Air Estonia SF340 ESNSA from Paderborn to ? 5th i/b freight 4th Feb Sky Taxi SF340 SPMRB from Paderborn to Paderborn 5th i/b freight 4th Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPK from Paderborn to Liege i/b freight 4th Feb Businesswings C406 DIATE from Brno,Czech R. to ? i/b freight 5th Feb RAF Avia An26 YLRAD from Paderborn to ? i/b freight 5th Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPU from Paderborn to Liege i/b freight 5th Feb Sprintair SF340 SPKPK from Paderborn ? to Paderborn ? i/b freight 5th Feb Sprinter SF340 SPKPK from Paderborn ? to ? i/b freight A summary of this years freight charters which may not be complete. Some information missing at the moment awaiting Viscounts monthly reports!!
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Post by kuga59 on Feb 6, 2019 9:47:44 GMT 1
Some of the recent flights have been taking car parts out rather than bringing them in. Brexit will cause delays both ways across the channel if the EU reintroduce border controls. In fact the E U controls are likely to be worse than any the UK put in place, just to be seen as waving two fingers at the UK, if their current attitude persists. Hence parts going out.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Feb 6, 2019 9:53:52 GMT 1
Please drop the politics on this thread, Kuga.
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Post by kuga59 on Feb 6, 2019 13:26:49 GMT 1
Not politics, just potential reality!
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Post by eye2eye5 on Feb 6, 2019 14:01:39 GMT 1
No, its politics. If you can substantiate your statement with fact, please include a link to it. If not, its opinion which falls foul of the rules of this site.
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Post by kuga59 on Feb 6, 2019 15:05:24 GMT 1
No, its politics. If you can substantiate your statement with fact, please include a link to it. If not, its opinion which falls foul of the rules of this site. Why do you think these companies are importing materials to the EU??? End of story.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Feb 6, 2019 15:53:51 GMT 1
I'm sure Viscount will deal with you appropriately.
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Post by viscount on Feb 6, 2019 15:54:11 GMT 1
'Viscount' never has had any particular appetite for 'dealing' with anyone appropriately or inappropriately, however does have views about nwan forum being hi-jacked as a platform for repeated personal opinion, rather than for the desired exchange of factual information, images etc.
Firstly, surely if it is a current purely Brexit inspired movement of parts to stockpile, then logically the manufacturers would store excess production at this end, then hire a decent sized freighter for one big load - not transport a van (not even an articulated lorry) load at a time in a Saab, how can that ever be economic other as a very short term 'panic' measure? I strongly suspect that this movement of material has been going on-and-off for years - however ten or so years ago, whoever was responsible for the hire and load consolidation over time shifted the airport of departure/arrival to a combination of Manchester, East Midlands or Birmingham (all airports that developed and promoted large cargo handling facilities) for their own convenience, just rarely using Liverpool Airport when specifically requested by the manufacturer. It is only with a newly established local company sensing a gap in the market and promoting LJLA strongly that these motor part flights have come back to Liverpool in noticeable numbers.
Using aircraft to carry car components is very much an ad-hoc trade with 'just-in-time' being so sensitive to weather, ferry and road haulage or rail disputes, fuel supply and prices, even temporary road closures, to which fluid mix is currently added future political border crossing uncertainty too. Right through the Ford Halewood years, especially the late 60s to the mid 80s, January into February was generally a peak month for motor part transportation by air due to weather affected road haulage and ferry crossings across Europe, while June to August the quietest due to holiday shutdowns etc.
The fact is we don't know sufficient of the facts. The influence of Brexit thinking on industry is speculation and very much a subject of convenience from both sides to push their particular personal viewpoint. As aviation enthusiasts and Liverpool Airport supporters the specific 'why' is of far less significance than the 'fact' that once again motor component freight is flowing through the Airport aided by the activity of Wynne Freight - to whom considerable kudos should be given, not blame apportioned to Brexit uncertainties.
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Post by optimum1878 on Feb 6, 2019 16:33:16 GMT 1
And long may it continue.
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Post by LPL on Feb 6, 2019 17:29:09 GMT 1
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Post by andyh on Feb 6, 2019 20:36:10 GMT 1
Two things to add to this. Firstly is that air freighting car parts is expensive and so only done as a last resort, often prompted by bad weather, Industrial action or a technical fault in another plant.
Second, my understanding is that the time critical nature of these shipments wasn’t properly appreciated by ground handlers / agents at Liverpool in previous years to the extent it drove business away - it was proving quicker to fly stuff into Birmingham and road it up than fly it in to Liverpool and have it sit on the aircraft. Wynne has worked with the airport and industry to address that - and we seem to be reaping the benefits.
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Post by 8miles27 on Feb 7, 2019 10:56:16 GMT 1
LJLA has now had more freight charters(34) in 2019 than in the whole of 2018(33).
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Post by 8miles27 on Apr 13, 2019 18:45:13 GMT 1
LJLA FREIGHT 2019 (INBOUND AND OUTBOUND) OPERATOR JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC TOTAL SCHEDULED I/B 1 1 1 1.5 2 1 7.5 SCHEDULED O/B 2.5 4 10 2.5 2 2 23 CHARTER I/B UK *** 5 6 *** *** *** 11 CHARTER O/B UK 5.5 *** 10 *** *** 16 31.5 CHARTER I/B EU *** 35 8 *** *** *** 43 CHARTER O/B EU *** 5 3 *** *** 6 14 CHARTER I/B NON-EU *** 6 *** *** 2 50 58 CHARTER O/B NON-EU *** *** 17 *** 16 62 95 TOTAL I/B 1 47 15 1.5 4 51 119.5 TOTAL O/B 8 9 40 2.5 18 86 163.5 TOTAL TONNES 9 56 55 4 22 137 283 January had 4 UK charters(all by Jota), 9 EU (Spainish, Polish, German and Latvian operators) and 1 non-EU (Swiss operator). As can be seen above the EU and non-EU freight does not appear in the CAA statistics so the January total is probably understated. February had 1 UK charter(Jota), 41 EU (Estonian, Polish, German, Latvian, Spanish and Hungarian operators) and 2 non-EU (Swiss and Ukranian operators). January and February also saw domestic freight carried by Dragonfly and Skycab on their evening flights.
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