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Post by ronturner on Jun 17, 2019 6:22:49 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 22:25:44 GMT 1
My first comment is: thank God for FDR and CVR. Twenty years ago, these two accidents would have been put down to pilot error, especially given the countries where they took place, and a line drawn under them. In my book, I related the story, during our bid to win the Ponte Aerea contract with the 146 in Brazil how, when told by Varig that the 737-300 could not land at Santos Dumont (the downtown airport in Rio) in wet weather, Boeing disputed it, even after the chief pilot had taken a video tape of the simulator crashing, to Seattle. When challenged further, they apparently said "We've got a fix for that." Well if they did, it was never applied, because when it rained - and when it rains in Rio it really rains! The arriving aircraft had to divert to the International airport and the passengers had to be bussed back to Santos Dumont. This continued until Varig went out of business in 2006 - it was 1986 when we were bidding to supply the 146. |
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Post by mooneyncp on Jun 17, 2019 22:56:45 GMT 1
are we allowed to ask what the title of your book is called ?
and if it is still in print or epub form where can it be obtained ?
many thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 8:31:31 GMT 1
are we allowed to ask what the title of your book is called ? and if it is still in print or epub form where can it be obtained ? many thanks steve Mods? |
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Post by viscount on Jun 18, 2019 13:52:25 GMT 1
derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/23551/wings-sale-new-book-garstonboyNo problem. For active members who publish books, then a good 'plug' is no problem. In fact "Wings for Sale" has already been 'plugged' on NWAN so no need for the question. Indeed why not plug it afresh, I'm presuming that the January 2017 sales details at the end are still current. Should there be further comment about the book, then use the thread linked above as there is monumental thread drift here well away from the Boeing 737MAX topic!! Copied from the Woodfield Publishing website: ISBN 9781-84683-180-5 NEW £9.95WINGS FOR SALE by Barry Lloyd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worldwide experiences of an aircraft salesman 1981-1994 IN THIS ENJOYABLE and informative memoir, Barry Lloyd looks back on an eventful period in the 1980s/90s during which he was a member of the salesforce for British Aerospace in their commercial aircraft division and later their corporate jet division. The aircraft that Barry and his colleagues were responsible for selling were the BAe 748, the ATP and the BAe 146 and his allocated territories were South America, the Caribbean and parts of Europe. Barry’s professional activities led him to many far-flung locations where he and his colleagues did their utmost to secure the business of a wide variety of customers. Selling aeroplanes is fiercely competitive, of course, so wherever Barry and his BAe colleagues went they were up against robust competition from rival aircraft manufacturers prepared to use every trick in the book in order to secure the more lucrative contracts. Consequently frustration and disappointment were often the aircraft salesman’s only reward, even after expensive demonstrations and lengthy negotiations with a potential customer, when the final buying decision was made in favour of a rival company. Such was the challenging nature of the industry but of course it also made winning a contract all the more enjoyable. In the course of more than a decade as an aircraft salesman Barry had his share of triumphs and disappointments but even in those cases where he failed to secure a successful outcome, the often quirky and unusual places he visited and the colourful characters with whom he did business gave him plenty of entertaining stories to tell. And this he does, with quiet good humour, in a narrative that provides a fascinating insight into an unusual occupation about which most members of the public know nothing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I know that Barry's photos and tales from South America and inside the Soviet Union have fascinated and delighted forum members in the past. It sounds as though this book will be just as good. As books go, this title is relatively inexpensive, so hopefully many forum readers (including myself) will put fingers to keyboard and order a copy.
Woodfield Publishing sell their titles on Amazon and also direct from their website. Details of how to order this book on www.woodfieldpublishing.co.uk and look for the small 'Shopping Basket' logo top right of the page. If you don't already have it, you could also order Cedric Flood's "A Pilot's Perspective" relating his club training and airline flying from Speke from the 1950s onwards. There are other interesting sounding books in the Woodfield catalogue too.
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Post by viscount on Jun 18, 2019 14:07:23 GMT 1
To bring this thread back on to topic, I found the article discovered by Ron Turner the most informative and balanced that I've yet read on the topic. Indeed so balanced that the more I continued to read, the more damming it was for Boeing. Seemingly well researched and well written/illustrated. Thanks for the link, Ron.
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Post by bulldog on Jun 18, 2019 17:30:01 GMT 1
Well Willie Walsh/IAG must have faith, and probably got a cracker of a deal as they have signed a letter of intent at Paris today for 200 of them, mix of dash 8 and 10s.
First orders for them I believe since they were grounded in March.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 18:31:37 GMT 1
Thanks Brian.
Yes,so back to the Max. Frankly I am astounded that IAG have taken this decision. From my dealings with them in the past they were extremely conservative when it came to aircraft buying - and for good reason. The airline is now run by beancounters and I suspect that Boeing, based in Chicago these days of course, has made them an offer they can't refuse!
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Post by ian531 on Jun 18, 2019 19:21:33 GMT 1
I bet they got a massive discount.
It would be worth selling them at cost just to get passengers and airlines back on side
Ian
PS - the book is brilliant, highly recommend
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Post by bulldog on Jun 18, 2019 20:38:21 GMT 1
I think you may get airlines back on side reasonably quickly as the aircraft saves them money. However getting passengers back on side and to fly in them I fear will take a very long time. Perhaps years of safe operation. Would we fly on one now???
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Post by ronturner on Jun 19, 2019 7:53:28 GMT 1
This is a very good point. Mrs T who has been a fan of aviation, or at least tolerated it, since I met her more than 50 years ago, and not at all phased by flying, announced that she would not fly in a Max at any price until she declared it safe.
I suppose the challenge will come when that offer to somewhere at €9.99. comes along.
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Post by maverick on Jun 19, 2019 8:02:04 GMT 1
This is a very good point. Mrs T who has been a fan of aviation, or at least tolerated it, since I met her more than 50 years ago, and not at all phased by flying, announced that she would not fly in a Max at any price until she declared it safe. I suppose the challenge will come when that offer to somewhere at €9.99. comes along. Indeed. I remember post 9-11 everyone said they wouldn't fly again but as soon as the lo co's started offering 99p fares to places, it became 'safe' again |
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Post by bulldog on Jul 8, 2019 21:18:17 GMT 1
Daily mail reports today that Saudi airline Flyadeal has cancelled its order for 30 Max and will operate A320 instead.
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Post by bulldog on Jul 10, 2019 9:11:37 GMT 1
As Boeing Field looks pretty full ,car parks etc of 737Max, when it is grounded as it is are the Company allowed to fly new ones to a different airfield for storage?. They would not contain pax so would this be permitted?
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