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Post by eye2eye5 on Jul 13, 2022 11:49:40 GMT 1
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Post by robaero on Jul 13, 2022 13:18:42 GMT 1
I see that the Royal Albert Dock has been put up for sale, not sure if Peel owns that.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Jul 13, 2022 14:25:24 GMT 1
No, CBRE Investment Management own the Albert Dock.
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Post by ian531 on Jul 13, 2022 18:49:34 GMT 1
Was it Peel who closed Sheffield Airport?
I’m sure they would build houses and warehouses on all their land if they could
Ian
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Post by plug on Jul 13, 2022 23:03:17 GMT 1
Peel owned Teesside Airport since 2003 and were itching to close it, but sold it back to the local authority for £40m in 2019. Still losing money.
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Post by northbynorthwest on Aug 4, 2022 21:33:28 GMT 1
With the potential closure of DSA looming, does anyone know what the effect could be on staffing at the Liverpool ATC tower? Hopefully no effect at all. I believe that Liverpool Controllers have been providing ATC services for DSA for several years autonomously from the Liverpool ATC tower; presumably from the radar room.
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Post by sthelensplanespotter on Aug 6, 2022 10:47:08 GMT 1
With the potential closure of DSA looming, does anyone know what the effect could be on staffing at the Liverpool ATC tower? Hopefully no effect at all. I believe that Liverpool Controllers have been providing ATC services for DSA for several years autonomously from the Liverpool ATC tower; presumably from the radar room. If DSA were to close, there would definitely some effect on Liverpool. Liverpool radar room provides all radar control for DSA and I believe that the controllers work on a rotational basis between LPL Tower, LPL Radar and DSA Radar. This is what I established when I did work experience in the tower and radar room but I never actually found out the shift structure in the tower (though I did see DSA Radar controllers operating Tower and LPL Radar so I think this is the case). The server room also hosts a large amount of DSA's equipment that is relavent to the radar operations, so closures could also affect the Air Traffic Engineering department that are based in the building. ATE is only a small team and I imagine such a chunk of their operations being ceased would have quite the impact on them also. I wonder -if the closure goes ahead- will staff be layed off? Liverpool ATC is always sufficiently staffed but there are a few positions (e.g Liverpool Ground Controller) that are only staffed when there are significant amounts of traffic, such as Champions League Charter arrival days, and I wonder if these positions will be permanently staffed instead.
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Post by northbynorthwest on Aug 7, 2022 2:54:14 GMT 1
Some excellent feedback about the operation of the LPL tower and the remote operation of the DSA radar. I hope that your work experience will help you to get your foot in the door. It certainly appears that Peel are looking on bailing here. I am sure that Wizz Air abandoning DSA as a hub was the catalyst Peel could use to justify their announcements regarding the future of the airport. Sounds like a done deal to me. Obviously building warehouses and homes is their Plan B; in fact, maybe it was their Plan A all along. So I really hope that the LPL ATC management are actively looking at other airports that can use their expertise in remote operations. They have the trained staff, the equipment, and the engineering department in place.
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Post by sthelensplanespotter on Aug 8, 2022 15:02:22 GMT 1
Some excellent feedback about the operation of the LPL tower and the remote operation of the DSA radar. I hope that your work experience will help you to get your foot in the door. It certainly appears that Peel are looking on bailing here. I am sure that Wizz Air abandoning DSA as a hub was the catalyst Peel could use to justify their announcements regarding the future of the airport. Sounds like a done deal to me. Obviously building warehouses and homes is their Plan B; in fact, maybe it was their Plan A all along. So I really hope that the LPL ATC management are actively looking at other airports that can use their expertise in remote operations. They have the trained staff, the equipment, and the engineering department in place. I would imagine that the ATC department have two options here: as you said, look at other airports to provide control for, or just focus all resources on Liverpool. I was thinking that Manchester Barton could be an option if they were to continue controlling other airports since the aerodrom is Peel owned. But with the amount of (and type of) traffic they receive, I don't really see the feasibility of providing them with radar control. Barton already has in-house radar control and it wouldn't make sense to incorporate them into Liverpool's operations. We must also bear in mind that Liverpool's Air Traffic Services are operated by Air Traffic Control Services Ltd. (ATCSL) which I believe is mostly independent from Peel and LJLA. As for staffing, from speaking with LJLA's HR Director and ATCSL's ATS Administrator (two people who co-ordinated my work experience), it is clear that the Air Traffic Services department and the airport as a whole are keen to expand and take on new staff. (through work experience and apprenticeships etc). My friend who was also on the work experience was speaking to one of the executives of the airport and he also touched upon the recruitment drive for new, youthful staff, speaking specifically about the airport actively looking to take on apprentices. With this work experience on my CV, I would be a priority candidate for a position in the ATS department and I am very fortunate to have had such an opportunity. I digress. In short, I don't think that the airport would give up on external radar control as they have a team of experienced staff that they are looking to build upon.
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Post by northbynorthwest on Aug 10, 2022 2:51:41 GMT 1
That is really interesting about the formation of ATCSL, and its relationship to both the airport and to Peel. I can vaguely remember reading stuff about this many moons ago, but never connected the dots. However, I am far removed from Liverpool now, so totally out of the loop. I wouldn't have thought of Barton being part of any plans, even with it being owned by Peel. However, I saw a flashy CGI about Peel's very recent plans to develop large areas of housing, offices and industry / warehousing in close proximity to Barton. The CGI also displayed plans for a concrete runway and corporate flying - so I suppose that this may happen many years from now if this development of Barton ever comes to fruition. So I guess that if I was at the bottom of the seniority list in the LPL ATC Tower, I would definitely be concerned with what could happen at DSA.
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Post by sthelensplanespotter on Aug 11, 2022 19:28:29 GMT 1
That is really interesting about the formation of ATCSL, and its relationship to both the airport and to Peel. I can vaguely remember reading stuff about this many moons ago, but never connected the dots. However, I am far removed from Liverpool now, so totally out of the loop. I wouldn't have thought of Barton being part of any plans, even with it being owned by Peel. However, I saw a flashy CGI about Peel's very recent plans to develop large areas of housing, offices and industry / warehousing in close proximity to Barton. The CGI also displayed plans for a concrete runway and corporate flying - so I suppose that this may happen many years from now if this development of Barton ever comes to fruition. So I guess that if I was at the bottom of the seniority list in the LPL ATC Tower, I would definitely be concerned with what could happen at DSA. Just been looking at Peel and ATCSL on Companies House. Peel's airport subsidiary (now Liverpool Airport Holdings Limited) was formerly named Vantage Airports UK Limited, matching ATCSL's old company name of Vantage Air Traffic Services Limited from the same time period (17th December 2012 - 14th May 2014). They are also based out of the same registered office which shows on maps as Peel L&P. Confirms ATCSL's link to Peel.
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Post by vfr800 on Aug 11, 2022 20:08:42 GMT 1
Wonder what will happen to Vulcan XH558 if the airfield closes?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 8:19:36 GMT 1
Wonder what will happen to Vulcan XH558 if the airfield closes? A usually reliable source of mine has told me that VTTS has been told by Peel to find another home for it, but has given them up to a year to sort it out.
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Post by radiostationx on Aug 15, 2022 13:30:14 GMT 1
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Post by robaero on Sept 26, 2022 12:52:39 GMT 1
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