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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 13:10:10 GMT 1
The enemy is within. There are one million people living in the UK who should not be, and we don't know who they are, where they are, or what they're doing. Predominantly they are from Muslim countries. People, drugs, cigarettes, booze, are being smuggled into this country every day through small inlets all over the country. Today's Sky News carries a report that the taliban are being at least part-funded from the UK. Yes, it's Sky, and you can't trust everything they put out, but if there's even a bit of truth in what is being said, then there's something very wrong with our security. Why, 20 years after the wall came down, do we still have 20,000 troops and hundreds of armoured vehicles, (most of which are in store), in Germany? I think the focus should be on keeping the UK borders safe. We're not going to be attacked by Iran or N Korea, and it's not our business anyway. Let's do what the rest of Europe does and just send a token force as part of our NATO commitment to any future conflicts. We're a small overcrowded island on the edge of the Atlantic, that's one step away from being bankrupt - not a superpower, whatever we may like to think. There will be shock/horror when another 7/7 takes place, as it undoubtedly will, and then the questions will be asked all over again.
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Post by ronturner on Oct 21, 2010 17:28:44 GMT 1
There are about 10,000 soldiers in Afghasistan, supposedly protecting the Uk from some kind of terror, but actually, just supporting a corrupt regime, a puppet of the USA. If these guys, and gals, were brought home and to patrol and protect the UK borders, and if each one of them found just one illegal every week for deportation, in a year they could have hoiked out over half a million. After that they could concentrate on those legally here but up to no good. How about that for a defence policy? It would not be necessary to have extra chinooks and/or aircraft carriers, just enough transport aircraft to get rid of the undesirables. The money saved on benefits and the like paid to these people, would I estimate save 2.6 Bilion POUNDS a year, based on each claimant just getting £100 a week in benefits
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Post by Biggles on Oct 21, 2010 20:48:19 GMT 1
It would be nice if the so called safe countries that illegals and asylum seekers end up in during their so called escapes, stopped forwarding them onward to the final link in the escape chain, THE UK. It is a fact that anyone who arrives on the UK and can not produce a passport although they may in fact have one, if it can not be produced to the Border Agency they can not be deported on the first occassion and more often than not are "bailed" for enquiries and a weekly report to a police station (which usually fails and they vanish). Labour managed to dessimate Customs and Excise so much so most coastal areas do not get a visit, how many small airfeilds now can be entered by small aircraft from outside the UK and nobody would notice ? This Government has its hands full sorring out what has been left behind by the outgoing "honourable" members.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 22:28:40 GMT 1
Who got us mixed up in Afghanistan anyway? RT You've probably answered your own question a little later on but it was indeed the good old U S of A. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)I've just been listening to the news and there are still Labour politicians blaming Thatcher for the mess were in today. Come on GET REAL!!!! This woman ended her feign in 1990. Now forgive me if I'm wrong but that appears to me to be 20 years ago. Not only that but she was only PM for 11 years. Labour on the other hand came to power in 1997 and their first PM Tony Blair reigned for 10 years followed by Gordon Brown. What did these two gentlemen do to correct the supposed wrong doings of Maggy Thatcher? Answer - absolutely Sweet FA. So after 20 years -13 of which Labour were in power - how can these politicians possibly think they are going to fool the knowledgeable British public into thinking this is all Maggies fault? And get this, some of those voting in the last election weren't even born when she was in power. ;D ;D ;D So, having laid down the gauntlet - who's first up to defend this lot or have you been silenced by the defence cuts too
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Post by Nick Bartley on Oct 21, 2010 23:21:48 GMT 1
As seems the norm now the usual hi-jacking of threads for ranting about "old politics" - the thread was about the current defence cuts and is in the "Industry News" section - what has Thatcher got to do with that ! If you must speak about her I suppose it has to go in the non-aviation section. Lets stick to what the thread is about
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Post by Biggles on Oct 21, 2010 23:32:04 GMT 1
I have to say sadly that Defence Cuts and Politics are surgically joined at the hip. As the song says, you can`t have one without the other, and I would add that these cuts are probably the most important decisions which will effect everyone one of us a some point and as such is of a higher level of importance to me than a landing EZY or RYR at the moment.
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Post by alexmac on Oct 22, 2010 2:06:58 GMT 1
Have to agree Keith, very bad shape at the moment. The amount of people in the forces who will lose their jobs because of the cut backs in hardware is remarkable. Take 4 Squadron and RAF Wittering - here we have highly experienced Qualified Flying Instructors teaching student pilots who have been in the system for 4 years at least, costing £x thousands to train, both of whom have no aircraft to fly?! Their families living in or around Wittering will have to move and then find new jobs, new schools and so on. What do we do with the RN pilots who are at Linton or Valley part way through the fast jet pipeline? Bin them because there's no Harrier? Offer them a commission n the RAF to find a spot on the Typhoon OCU which is overstretched as it is?
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Post by Nick Bartley on Oct 22, 2010 7:24:09 GMT 1
I agree they are important but as I said what has talking about Thatcher got do with them !
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Post by johnoakes on Oct 22, 2010 7:50:56 GMT 1
I agree with many of the above comments but dragging in Barones Thatcher is just cheap-and typical of the suppoters of the last 13 yeqrs of the most corrupt government in our history. What a legacy at least Thatchers legacy will live a long and proud existance long after she has shuffled off this mortal coil. Trident--interesting 13 years of silence and now the lefty slimeballs want to do sometihing about it--NO credibility. Times are hard and we ALL have to bite the bullet
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Oct 22, 2010 7:50:58 GMT 1
I, too, was thinking that this thread had been hi-jacked into an anti-Labour rant. Let me declare that, in every respect, I should be a Tory supporter but I am not. The present state of the UK started when Thatcher ripped the heart out of our manufacturing industry for purely political reasons. She hated the unions and was blind to the good they had done over the years. She despised the miners and Arthur Scargill in particular. He was mocked when he predicted that the mines would be closed. How right he was. It is to Thatchers eternal shame that our police force was used to suppress part of the UK's work force. My thought for my fellow-man, and myself, is do they have a roof over their head and food on the table? Thatcher was willing to deny them this basic right and was willing to split families to achieve her political objective. So why didn't the succeeding governments restore our manufacturing base, you ask? Well when the rest of the world jumps on the bandwaggon and builds cars, ships, aircraft. trains and heavy engineering products that were all closed down by Thatcher, then it is not surprising that the UK becomes a supplier of parts. It's not what Thatcher did that sticks in my throat it is the destructive way she went about it. As someone who ran his own business for many years I believe there is a proper way to treat people - that is with respect for them as individuals and support for their families. This was alien to Thatcher and the damage she did to the UK is not something that can be overturned overnight. Yes, this thread has strayed far from the original line and is a typical ploy for supporters of a self-serving party. I am saddened that the Lib Dems fell for power when tempted by Cameron. As I said in an earlier message, this rush to slash and burn is not the correct policy; slow and steady is what is needed instead of rushing around like chicken licken screaming that the sky is falling down. A time of calm is what we need at the moment. Oh, and by the way, I hope the bankers are enjoying their multi-billion pounds bonuses as the rest of prepare for the struggle. As I read over what I have written and consider what luxuries I am fortunate to have, I realise that I should be a Tory but my concern for those less fortunate than myself means that I could not support a party that is so self-serving. End of rant.
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Post by johnoakes on Oct 22, 2010 8:10:33 GMT 1
Please don't try to rewrite history by disinformation and half truths--typical of thr stalinist regime(communism RIP, and NEVER missed.LOL)--in the 13 years of corruption we even lost our chcolate industry--on top of our self respect--and non of us will forget thatcher the milk snatcher--no retoration there either just spin and lies. Thatcher hated Scargill--no evidence --but many of us with a mining family background did and still do. He does not live in a pit village cottage you know.--wonder where the cash came from? Take a page from the BNP handbook(just one please.LOL)and bring outr troop home TODAY from Blair's wars.
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Post by maverick on Oct 22, 2010 10:21:42 GMT 1
Well said Liverpoolman1 -
Thatcher ruined this country with her selfish right wing ideology - destroying manufacturing, mining etc. forever. Not forgetting she was also responsible for the Big Bang, the deregulation of the City and Banking which has ultimately wrecked our economy.
When the the country finally woke up to the evil that was conservatism (the 'me first' culture) and saw it for what it was, we voted in a Labour government which could have done anything it liked really, but instead just persisted with basically Tory policy to stay elected.
I am neither left or right wing - and strongly believe in an caring country for all. Capitalism is dead - bring on an alternative.
Perhaps the mess we are in economically is good thing long term as we may now stop pretending we are still a super power and concentrate on just defending Britain again.
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Post by johnoakes on Oct 22, 2010 12:04:24 GMT 1
Capitalism dead? I nearly choked laughing.--sadly it is all we have --all other alternatives have PROVED to be lies,,smoke ,mirrors and spin. Its not good and it has its downs and ups but it is ALL we have so get used to it. Things can and will get better--we may one day have to thank the bankers for that though it sticks in my throat to say it. They are the only ones likely to generate the finance needed to pull us out. I would love to read the alternatives--remember the history books before you rush to rspond.
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Post by maverick on Oct 22, 2010 12:46:43 GMT 1
It died the day the State was forced to take hold of the Banks, the very instrument of Capitalism.
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Post by ronturner on Oct 22, 2010 17:36:05 GMT 1
When I started this thread, i did not expect it to develop the way it did. I have things to say on the subject of Thatcher. See under non aviation.
RT
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