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Post by andyh on Sept 15, 2012 15:18:02 GMT 1
Noticed this afternoon during a trip to Speke Hall that work is still ongoing to refurbish the 09 lighting gantry. The contractor looks to be about two thirds of the way through. Hadn't fully appreciated the amount of preparatory work required with scaffolding towers etc needed for each section. Expensive job I suspect, but essential no doubt.
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Post by vctr on Sept 16, 2012 15:51:05 GMT 1
Official documents dont always tell the whole story, think back to last Wednesday. Yes, exactly why I said that deals may be done behind the scenes, so there is no way to know who is truly cheaper. However, you cannot deny that the official documents do state that LPL is higher in the base line fees.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:03:54 GMT 1
You seriously trying to say that the LPL fees are more costly than those over there? Come on LPL, you must know as well as everyone else that airlines are businesses and as such will be looking at the bottom line. Liverpool's fees will not only have to be lower but significantly lower than Manchester's for them to even think about operating from here. There's a whole raft of charges/additional costs for the airlines to think about. It's not simply a case of flying an aircraft into Liverpool and paying the same landing fee. If it was, they would never have moved away from here in the first place. As vctr says airports published fees are open to negotiation and judging by the comments in the Daily Post, talks between Charter Airlines and the Airport are already well underway.
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Post by LPL on Sept 16, 2012 18:41:42 GMT 1
You and vctr are both stating a fact, I dont believe your insistence and tonyspeke has asked for statements to be backed up and nothing has been forthcoming.
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Post by vctr on Sept 16, 2012 19:30:07 GMT 1
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Post by LPL on Sept 16, 2012 20:43:56 GMT 1
So we have established that official documents are not the be all and end all of the true picture, as I said earlier, so what are the landing fees paid?
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Post by vctr on Sept 16, 2012 21:29:21 GMT 1
So no apology for basically calling me a lair despite providing you with proof.
We will never know the true price paid (as i have also said btw), but the above is proof LPL starts from a higher base line so has a longer way to drop to be lower than MAN.
Now, can we drop it at that please instead if being so millitant and calling people liars just because you dont agree with something.
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Post by LPL on Sept 16, 2012 23:04:54 GMT 1
So no apology for basically calling me a lair despite providing you with proof. We will never know the true price paid (as i have also said btw), but the above is proof LPL starts from a higher base line so has a longer way to drop to be lower than MAN. Now, can we drop it at that please instead if being so millitant and calling people liars just because you dont agree with something. Oh dear, oh dear, nobody has called you a liar. There is a post stating that people who state facts have to post a link as its now a rule of this section of the board. Fees. Last year Liverpool Airport had roughly 2.625 million departing pax. Lets say they were all international pax. So using that £19.02 that would equal an income of £49,927,500. Seeing as though Peel Airports results ( www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/361246-peel-airports-losses-rise-to-11.4m-but-jla-shines.html ) for LPL show a turnover for the entire LPL operation of £33,300,000 the assertion that LPL fees are more cannot be gained from those docs.
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Post by LPL on Sept 16, 2012 23:15:23 GMT 1
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Post by bluefox on Sept 17, 2012 0:07:23 GMT 1
Although brief, content deleted by administrator to prevent further escalation of this topic and polarisation of the two sides involved.
Can we now move on, please. This topic has currently got far too personal, which has taken it well beyond information providing.
A forum administrator.
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Post by viscount on Sept 17, 2012 0:33:17 GMT 1
Gentlemen,
Time to draw this one to an end I feel.
Much angst and vitriol aired, but what have we proved - Liverpool on paper seem to charge more, but equally could well discount much more.
Who knows! What I do know is that due to sensitive commercial considerations, we will never know the true charges charged!!
Time for me to go to bed; time for the contributors to put this topic to sleep.
Thank you all.
An Administrator.
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Post by johnoakes on Sept 17, 2012 7:34:57 GMT 1
Not before time--was getting boring for the rest of us--why don't you two meet up and bring your laptops and have a good friendly natter and info swap that does not put the forum at risk of closure? You will always beg to differ because there are too many imponderables and unseen figures and costs that ONLY top management are aware of and both airports guard VERY closely. And can you blame them? It makes comments from both of you well informed but STILL guesswork.So its bound to lead to accusations and tears. Come on lads sort it out off the board and move on--and lets hope for more clients at our favourite airport?LOL
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Post by baldyman26 on Sept 17, 2012 21:05:51 GMT 1
The brochure price of a holiday is never the price you pay in the end.. The same will apply with airlines and airports.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 13:19:25 GMT 1
GHA Coaches Route X36
As was widely anticipated GHA (GB Coaches) withdrew it's X36 from the airport this week thus ending an important express link with Ellesmere Port, Helsby, Frodsham, and Runcorn. The service has been a great success between Ellesmere Port and Runcorn and GHA are continuing to run this section of the route.
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Post by LPL on Sept 27, 2012 19:49:51 GMT 1
Surprised nobody has seen or commented on this yet given how good it is when comparing the figures nationally! Liverpool John Lennon Airport improves punctuality and bids for new routesLIVERPOOL John Lennon Airport is one of the most punctual in the UK, new figures show. It improved its performance between April and June with 91% of scheduled flights on time – departing early or up to 15 minutes late – compared with 88% for the same time a year ago. That compares with an average of 78%, a fall of 4%, for the UK’s 10 main airports in figures released by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). The CAA data also showed that Manchester’s punctuality dropped by 3% to 77% for the second quarter of 2012. JLA airport director Paul Staples said: “The hard work improving operations in recent years by both ourselves and the handling agents servicing the airlines that operate at Liverpool is really paying dividends now.” Meanwhile, senior JLA management are heading to Abu Dhabi this weekend for the 18th World Route Development Forum, where airports and airlines can discuss new opportunities. The JLA team, which has overseen a £12m upgrade of the site, will meet with at least 20 airlines during the four day event. Chief executive Craig Richmond said: “This event gives us a great opportunity to tell airlines about the changes that have taken place and the opportunities available.” www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/politics/politics-news/2012/09/27/liverpool-john-lennon-airport-improves-punctuality-and-bids-for-new-routes-99623-31913818/
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