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Post by bluefox on Jan 1, 2023 22:23:44 GMT 1
I think we should be optimistic at the start of 2023, the airport team are doing well bringing us out of Covid, more power to their elbow.
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Post by ronturner on Jan 2, 2023 11:06:40 GMT 1
A very interesting comment and one which I obviously agree with. This is why I have hesitated when it is mentioned about praying for a return of KLM. That might be a very good thing, on the one hand, but not if it dilutes the connecting loads on Lufthansa, which lets face it seems to be progressing nicely if not exponentially. I think Lufthansa need another good season. I am at a loss to imagine exactly where new routes will come from, but then I am no expert having never guessed that football related traffic would cause a route to Iceland to be opened. In terms of prayers perhaps its best to pray that LFC keep winning.
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Post by L25 on Jan 2, 2023 12:33:28 GMT 1
A very interesting comment and one which I obviously agree with. This is why I have hesitated when it is mentioned about praying for a return of KLM. That might be a very good thing, on the one hand, but not if it dilutes the connecting loads on Lufthansa, which lets face it seems to be progressing nicely if not exponentially. I think Lufthansa need another good season. I am at a loss to imagine exactly where new routes will come from, but then I am no expert having never guessed that football related traffic would cause a route to Iceland to be opened. In terms of prayers perhaps its best to pray that LFC keep winning. I’d much rather grow the Lufthansa route with the aim of one day achieving double daily than potentially welcome KLM back in. I think the airport need to be looking at three things within the next few years. 1. Try and bring Jet2 or TUI in with all the extra planes they’ve ordered, surely we can persuade them to base 2/3 here and get the gaping holes in the Greek Island/Croatia market filled. 2. If easyJet are going to keep reducing cities, look to airlines like Transavia/Vueling/Eurowings to fill the gap. 3. Build on our football routes, with potentially Oslo, Stavanger and other Scandi routes coming on board.
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Post by viscount on Jan 2, 2023 17:37:29 GMT 1
The quote in the above posts originates from an unusually positive piece in the digital Liverpool Echo on 1st January 2023. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-john-lennon-airport-looking-25688931Mind you, I feel the journalist taking credit for what looks likely to mostly be an Airport press-release copied out could be considered a bit of a cheat. Not that that matters, even if a third is about green power generation not about the success of the airport in passenger/route/destination/airline terms.
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Post by bulldog on Jan 2, 2023 19:13:12 GMT 1
I speak here with no insider knowledge or anything, Jet 2 are constantly brought up on this thread. I cannot see any reason why they would potentially dilute loads to bring some flghts here from their base only about 40 mins away. Surely it would entail a lot of extra cost to operate say a dozen flights a week from here. Purely from the airline viewpoint why?? If passengers want to go somewhere they will in most cases go to Manchester. Now I equally think as anLJLA supporter then it obviously makes sense to bring planes here, but commercially?! Just a thought , no slanging matches please!
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Post by harbourcotter on Jan 2, 2023 19:40:00 GMT 1
To a certain degree you are correct, but its not that simple. It only works if there are no competing airlines from Liverpool. I don't know if jet2 (i've never used them) fly to Lisbon, but if they do, then they compete with other airlines from Manchester. If they flew that route from Liverpool they would have a free reign from Liverpool and those passengers would not (in the main) be diluted to those other airlines operating from Man. As soon as there is competition on a route from Liverpool with any airline, then they lose a significant portion of their potential passengers from the Liverpool (and wider) region. Obviously I have no idea why Jet2 will not fly from Liverpool, possibly something happened during negotiations, and I think that that is the most likely scenario, again with no real knowledge. I believe its that, not dilution, for which they have made their decision. Move on, if they are not interested we can get growth from other airlines in time. In it's simplest form, if 4 airlines are flying from Manchester to any given destination and none from Liverpool, the likelihood of those passengers choosing to fly from MAN who originate from Liverpool (dont forget its not 100 per cent as other airports are also chosen in lieu of man) would average at most 25 per cent. Flying from LPL with no competition then they get 100 per cent. Just math.
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Post by viscount on Jan 2, 2023 22:19:00 GMT 1
There is a mathematical flaw in your final argument as 20% of a large number of passengers to a very popular destination (so split between 4 operators at MAN and 1 from LPL) could well be larger than 100% to a destination with lower demand/popularity flown by just one operator from LPL.
Although in general terms I do agree with your statements.
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Post by L25 on Jan 2, 2023 23:16:01 GMT 1
I speak here with no insider knowledge or anything, Jet 2 are constantly brought up on this thread. I cannot see any reason why they would potentially dilute loads to bring some flghts here from their base only about 40 mins away. Surely it would entail a lot of extra cost to operate say a dozen flights a week from here. Purely from the airline viewpoint why?? If passengers want to go somewhere they will in most cases go to Manchester. Now I equally think as anLJLA supporter then it obviously makes sense to bring planes here, but commercially?! Just a thought , no slanging matches please! I think the argument that Jet2 can’t operate from here as they operate from MAN falls down as they operate from LBA and EMA which both also overlap MAN’s catchment area. The only reason I can think of as to why they don’t operate here is that they don’t fancy a battle against EZY and FR in a long established base of both theirs, where they don’t have that at LBA and EMA.
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Post by ametyst on Jan 3, 2023 1:00:27 GMT 1
Jet2 go head to head with EZY and FR at Bristol, Stansted, Manchester, Edinbugh, Glasgow and Belfast.
I was told that the reason Jet2 walked away from the negotiations to base 4 aircraft at Liverpool, was because the airport could not guarantee contact stands at all times. This was ridiculous as they did, andxstill do, bussing at Bristol, Leeds and Manchester.
At the time, both easyJet and Ryanair had a bigger overnight presence at Liverpool.
It was thought, by some, that the airline was on a fishing trip on behalf of another entity to see what sort of deals Liverpool offer. In addition there was a distinct anti-Liverpool view amongst some of the senior management team at the airline at the time.
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Post by L25 on Jan 3, 2023 1:10:46 GMT 1
Jet2 go head to head with EZY and FR at Bristol, Stansted, Manchester, Edinbugh, Glasgow and Belfast. I was told that the reason Jet2 walked away from the negotiations to base 4 aircraft at Liverpool, was because the airport could not guarantee contact stands at all times. This was ridiculous as they did, andxstill do, bussing at Bristol, Leeds and Manchester. At the time, both easyJet and Ryanair had a bigger overnight presence at Liverpool. It was thought, by some, that the airline was on a fishing trip on behalf of another entity to see what sort of deals Liverpool offer. In addition there was a distinct anti-Liverpool view amongst some of the senior management team at the airline at the time. That’s really disappointing and if true, probably means we won’t see them anytime soon. How are relations with TUI? I know they dipped their toe in a few years ago with the 1x weekly PMI and Britannia used to base a 757 here years ago, so maybe they could be more likely to come back and fill some of the routes they can’t partner easyJet with? A base to cover: a weekly Palma, Corfu and Dubrovnik for cruises, Split, Kefalonia, Zante, Skiathos, Santorini, Rhodes, Paphos and Naples is easily achievable to complement their EZY tie in here for other routes and I firmly believe that tie in along with easyJet Holidays is the reason EZY have gone very beach friendly this year. I don’t think a Wizz base will happen, it would of happened by now if they wanted it, instead they went for Cardiff and Doncaster. On another note anyway, a Loganair addition to Aberdeen would also be nice to see, train connections are terrible and I hear of plenty flying from Manchester up there from Liverpool.
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Post by ametyst on Jan 3, 2023 1:16:12 GMT 1
easyJet has just dropped the routes from Manchester to both Aberdeen and Inverness
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Post by andyh on Feb 2, 2023 10:34:42 GMT 1
I notice that Stands 33 to 37 (i.e. the remote stands opposite the terminal building) are NOTAM’d as closed from today for two weeks. I presume they are getting the same treatment as the terminal contact stands received before Christmas.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Mar 1, 2023 11:49:37 GMT 1
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Post by andyh on Mar 1, 2023 13:06:06 GMT 1
Many of the local objections are farcical and clearly only being made because it’s the airport. I’ve not seen any objections on the same environmental grounds to any of the solar farms popping up around the Borough (including the Council’s own on the old St Michael’s golf course site).
To complain about the airport’s environmental impact and then object to something that could mitigate it is just daft.
Utter waste of public money as an inspector will almost certainly find in favour of the airport.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Mar 1, 2023 13:58:50 GMT 1
Let’s hope so, Andy.
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