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Post by aboveusonlysky on Jan 9, 2013 0:36:42 GMT 1
I think we have to be realistic. Air Berlin lost their shirt when trying to make a go of UK regions and Stansted in a big way....The UK market didn't respond in bookings to their offer of linking Manchester over Stansted. Their financial results aren't pretty and with their high cost base they aren't really a low cost carrier either. They now seem that they want to stay clear of Ryanair and easyJet.
I agree Germany is a gap though and JLA has always struggled to get operators on there. The Cologne service from easyJet was they said, a poor performing route but great shame when they pulled it and the Basle service too.
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Post by johnoakes on Jan 15, 2013 15:01:42 GMT 1
Just seen the latest monthly review-passenger figures are depressing. Looking forward to a boost soon--I hope. Wonder how the ceo of easy sits with the ryan reopening of her transfred profitable route. Hope Malta is chokker this year and that ryan consider gibralta as a goer. Stelios I hope you come back soon
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Post by LPL on Jan 15, 2013 15:13:14 GMT 1
I cant see much altering until this summer, so we may have another year of similar figures for me to work through.
I think EZY have made a blunder in mis-reading FR's decision earlier in 2012 to move two aircraft from LPL to Budapest. FR looking likely to come back and bite EZY on the rear end.
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Post by vctr on Jan 15, 2013 18:39:08 GMT 1
In terms of Ryanair to Gibraltar, I don't think this is possible at all due to de-rated engines and the GIB runway.
Also given the easyjet expansion at MAN, seems they are not loosing any sleep over their decision. People have got to let it go. Easyjet have made their decisions, and as they are the ones who have ALL the figures to hand, Im pretty sure they know what they are doing, instead of angry ranting men in a corner of the inter-web-world thinking they know better.
For example, can you provide indisputable, 100% visible proof that LPL-MLA was profitable for easyjet, or made more money than MAN-MLA? No, didn't think so....
Despite the common perceptions on various forums, airlines DO NOT pull profitable routes. If you think for one second an airline sits there and says 'ooh, xxx-yyy is making a tonne of money for us, lets pull it and start a route that doesn't make any money at all, coz' that's just what we do', you must be more bitter than first thought.
Easyjet didn't make a substantial profit last year by pulling 'profitable routes', did they now?
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Post by ametyst on Jan 15, 2013 19:49:32 GMT 1
Airlines DO pull profitable routes, but usually to use the aircraft for MORE profitable routes, airlines at slot constarined airports are quite good at it.
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Post by johnoakes on Jan 15, 2013 20:43:20 GMT 1
For example can you provide indisputable 100% proof that LPL-MLA was unprofitable for easyjet or made less money than Man-MLA?No? Didn't think so. Speculation is free like democracy and it can be both fun and thought provoking. It will be very interesting to see which route is the more successful in the future. Even if we only have load factor to go on.
Now let's be careful that we don't let this degenerate into a slanging match. Ranting is also free to forum members--LOL
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Post by vctr on Jan 15, 2013 21:20:51 GMT 1
But John, its not just about discussion, you are talking about easyjet as if you are certain the route was profitable. There is nothing to suggest it was, despite good loads, as the route was pulled in favour of starting new routes to Nantes and Newquay.
People are always quick to assume good loads=good yield, but it is so far from the truth. For example, I could buy a B747-400, sell tickets from LPL to JFK for £1 each all in. You can almost guarantee the flight will be full, but you can guarantee I will loose money faster than Northern rock bank in a property boom!
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Post by LPL on Jan 15, 2013 23:03:08 GMT 1
Didnt know Malta was stopped in favour of Nantes and Newquay.
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Post by johnoakes on Jan 16, 2013 9:54:57 GMT 1
Point taken vctr which is why I mentioned load factor--sadly its the only measure open to us as the other factors are commercial secrets as you would expect. Speculation is therfore all that is left as none of us actually have any concrete facts.
Wiish someone WOULD arrive with a 747 and offer cheap flights to the USA---that would be a blast.LOL
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Post by ezylpl on Jan 29, 2013 22:31:44 GMT 1
It looks like LJLA are still in the top ten despite a challenging year!!!!!
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Post by beco915 on Jan 30, 2013 14:51:47 GMT 1
the 2012 passenger figures were revealed somewhere it was 4.45m for 2012 down 15.1% on 2011 but 2013 will be no doubt up on 2012.
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Post by ezylpl on Jan 30, 2013 18:46:27 GMT 1
I suppose if you have a bad year, the next year looks like you're having a really good one!!!
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Post by johnoakes on Jan 31, 2013 20:46:56 GMT 1
I always hope for a slowly rising graph over a number of yeaes--fingers crossed.LOL
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 1:03:03 GMT 1
As things stand it looks like LPL can expect further falls in pax numbers in 2013 unless EZY and FR manage to get in more return flights per day from there based fleets.
Here are the very basic daily seat numbers for the summers of 2011 to 2013 for one departure per day, per based aircraft,
2011 number of seats for EZY = 1584 (10 based aircraft) number of seats for FR = 1512 (8 based aircraft total = 3096
2012 number of seats for EZY = 1452 (9 based aircraft) number of seats for FR = 1134 (6 based aircraft) total = 2586 (-16% on S11)
2013 number of seats for EZY = 1140 (7 based aircraft) number of seats for FR = 1134 (6 based aircraft) total = 2274 (-12% on S12)
It maybe 2014, when the new agreements with EZY and FR kick in, before we see increases in pax numbers.
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Post by supertramp on Feb 1, 2013 2:16:18 GMT 1
5based aircraft down from 2011,it looks pretty grim for all to see.another based carrier is surely needed.
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