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Post by davel on Feb 1, 2013 8:09:37 GMT 1
Not necessarily, foreign based aircraft of both EZY and FR could have routes into LPL and they would smooth out the throughput of the terminal, which is busy and slack at times, if they were timed properly.
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Post by andyh on Feb 1, 2013 8:55:57 GMT 1
The simple figures are misleading. RYR alone is operating at least a dozen more flights per week than last summer and you ignore additional capacity from the new Norwegian service and any non-based EZY flights (such as Belfast). Also, seats don't equate to passengers!
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Feb 1, 2013 9:06:56 GMT 1
This breast beating is non-productive. Looking at LJLA in isolation does not reflect the overall position across the UK. To get things into perspective we must look at LJLA in comparison with other UK airports. I take it that LJLA is not alone in having lower figures. So how are other airports faring? Cardiff seems to be in a complete nose-dive for one. Any others?
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Post by supertramp on Feb 1, 2013 14:04:26 GMT 1
i didnt mean to paint a dreary picture guys.iwant my local airport to grow further just like everybody else.l agree with you dave,more none based flights with ezy and ryr would be great.
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Post by ps on Feb 1, 2013 14:11:53 GMT 1
Guys Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place, but just noticed an article on the BBC news site about Heathrow and the usual debate about whether it'll lose out to Schiphol, CDG etc whilst waiting for a decision on the third runway. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21275784The bit that caught me attention was about KLM. It said that they currently feed Schiphol from 14 UK airports, but they aim to increase to 17 by the end of 2013. Just wondered if anyone in the know had heard about this, and if maybe they were thinking of a return to Liverpool ? Cheers.............Phil
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 14:37:41 GMT 1
The simple figures are misleading. RYR alone is operating at least a dozen more flights per week than last summer and you ignore additional capacity from the new Norwegian service and any non-based EZY flights (such as Belfast). Also, seats don't equate to passengers! Yes I know which is why I said 'very basic'. You will also have to balance out the three per week Norwegian flights against us losing between 14 and 28 flights per week operated by KLM. Re non based flights, I will look at them later and get back. Unless EZY and FR flog there based aircraft into the ground then avaialble seats, and as a consequence pax filled, will be down.
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 14:44:38 GMT 1
This breast beating is non-productive. Looking at LJLA in isolation does not reflect the overall position across the UK. To get things into perspective we must look at LJLA in comparison with other UK airports. I take it that LJLA is not alone in having lower figures. So how are other airports faring? Cardiff seems to be in a complete nose-dive for one. Any others? Cardiff is 21st in the UK ranking of pax throughput and in that 21 we have minus growth for Stansted, Edinburgh, Liverpool, East Midlands, Belfast City, Southampton, Jersey, Prestwick and Cardiff.
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Post by andyh on Feb 1, 2013 16:11:04 GMT 1
Sorry LPL but if comparing S13 with S12 I don't have to take KLM into account as the service ended in the March. Your figures also don't reflect that one of EZY's based aircraft spent part of its day operating GVA - MAN. I can see what you were tryingto illustrate but your method is too basic. It may also be that the extra aircraft M'OL referenced in his interviews won't arrive until the winter as hinted at by Dave. We have to view the year as a whole, not just one season.
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Post by kevmul on Feb 1, 2013 18:48:55 GMT 1
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Its true that you can make them say anything you want to support/disprove any argument.
I think one of the important things to remember is that we pull in passenger numbers that many airports can only dream of, and we should be grateful for that.
Having said that, there is always a danger in putting all your eggs in one (or two) baskets, but if we lose the occasional routes or even based aircraft, we are still in a very good state.
Leeds Bradford has 14 airlines operating but only have around 2.9m passengers. Cardiff has 15 airlines but only 1.2m passengers. Having an airline pull out would generate more publicity than the loss of a route (as we well know) so if we have a flat (or flattish) year this year, we will still be in a good place when the industry bounces back.
Kev
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Post by mokum1 on Feb 1, 2013 18:58:02 GMT 1
I would love to see KLM back but my money would be on east midlands & southend for two, as for the third ?
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Post by vctr on Feb 1, 2013 19:17:38 GMT 1
Regarding KLM, as of March they will serve 15 UK points, with 2 daily Manston starting up. That means 2 UK points to find. Given their absense in Ireland, my money is in Belfast. Also East Midlands enjoying sone post bmi-baby growth, so my secobd guess is them.
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 20:48:58 GMT 1
Sorry LPL but if comparing S13 with S12 I don't have to take KLM into account as the service ended in the March. But they did in S11. What I have done is compare like for like, all be it to a basic level.
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 20:54:30 GMT 1
The simple figures are misleading. RYR alone is operating at least a dozen more flights per week than last summer and you ignore additional capacity from the new Norwegian service and any non-based EZY flights (such as Belfast). Also, seats don't equate to passengers!I have shown that the snap shot of numbers I posted earlier for 2012 v 2011 pointed to LPL losing 16% of (EZY and FR) seats. Provisional CAA stats show LPL has lost 15% in pax throughput. Not a bad indicator even if basic.
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Post by LPL on Feb 1, 2013 21:14:24 GMT 1
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Post by ezylpl on Feb 1, 2013 23:22:24 GMT 1
Could LPL remain at 8 for the summer rather than 7? Lets hope so!!! Isn't Ryanair going to base 7 aircraft?
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