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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 16:04:02 GMT 1
I notice that most of the Monday flights in November / December are in the £75 bracket so prices are definitely easing upwards. Also, £39 is expensive compared to EZY out of MAN which is offering fares as low as £23.49! And they have the cheek to bemoan their Liverpool yields! Ah, statistics ! They also have some one-ways going for in excess of a staggering £200 ex MAN, so I think they've got their yield management worked out pretty well. Norwegian should do ok from LPL, though not sure how much credence I'd place on a chance convo with a couple of Swedes in the city centre revealing plans to launch Stockholm..! Wonder if they'd entertain the idea of a LGW ?
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Post by dockmanlike on Mar 22, 2013 20:25:12 GMT 1
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Post by panelman on Mar 27, 2013 9:36:18 GMT 1
Read elsewhere that Man-Oslo is not bookable after Oct (haven't checked ) also Stavanger and Stockholm drop from 4 to 3 times weekly,I wonder if something could end up at LPL
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Post by vctr on Mar 27, 2013 9:44:03 GMT 1
Stavanger from MAN was only ever intended to be 2 weekly. OSL just late to be uploaded. ARN is down by 1 weekly however.
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Post by panelman on Mar 27, 2013 10:26:13 GMT 1
Do you know that it hasn't been downloaded or are you just guessing, as other routes seem to be in,
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Post by vctr on Mar 27, 2013 10:36:30 GMT 1
Norwegian have not finished their winter schedule yet.
About 3 days ago on twitter someone asked why MAN-OSL was not available, and their response was something on the lines of 'our winter flights have not all been loaded yet, keep an eye on the homepage.
I cannot find the comment again (struggle to work that twitter out)
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Post by panelman on Mar 27, 2013 10:38:34 GMT 1
OK
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Post by vctr on Mar 27, 2013 10:44:49 GMT 1
Sorry, just added more info to my original post. For some reason computer decided to miss most of the post out. Rgds.
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Post by davel on Mar 29, 2013 12:20:26 GMT 1
Airport to mark the new service by Norwegian by welcoming it with a water salute by the Fire and Rescue service with a disco and Lego exhibition in the main terminal. Jan Molby is to welcome the first passengers to Liverpool. (The captain and first officer are both Merseysiders who asked to be allocated this flight!)
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Post by ezylpl on Mar 29, 2013 21:31:35 GMT 1
There were some very strong hints at expansion from Norwegain in the Liverpool Daily Post article yesterday.
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Post by LPL on Mar 29, 2013 21:39:36 GMT 1
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Post by kuefc09 on Mar 30, 2013 16:48:40 GMT 1
But yet someone on another forum hinting that this route will move to manchester before long which would be sad IMO
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Post by ezylpl on Mar 30, 2013 21:06:52 GMT 1
The article:
I have highlighted some of the hints about Norwegain in red/bold and further hints in blue:
LIVERPOOL John Lennon Airport (JLA) aims to reposition itself by moving away from its perception as a short break budget airline base to a holidays and business hub.
And new JLA chief executive Matthew Thomas is also confident that the airport’s latest operator, Norwegian, can deliver a new period of growth and open up US and Asian routes for Merseysiders through Norwegian’s Oslo hub. Mr Thomas took over from former chief executive Craig Richmond earlier this month, stepping up from his role as commercial director for JLA parent group Vancouver Airport Services.
He is keen to establish links with city stakeholders such as hotels, restaurateurs and the leisure sector in a bid to maximise the potential from inbound passengers, saying: “We need to work very hard to partner up with Liverpool. It is not just about an airport. We are talking to stakeholders about the value of an airport.”
He said his message has been well received so far: “It’s exciting. I’m meeting lots and lots of faces and you’re never quite sure how you are going to be received but, whether it’s having a lucky smile or a dazed expression on my face, it is going quite well.”
He said: “I want to make the airport one that Liverpool can be proud of. We are candid enough to recognise we have a long way to go, but our intentions are honourable and we are determined and I would like to think that people can see that.”
Vancouver acquired a 65% controlling stake in JLA in June 2010 and invested £12m on upgrading security systems and the airport’s retail offer.
Mr Thomas said: “Post-acquisition it was all about transforming the operation and customer experience. It is a new phase we are entering now.
“We have gone from bottom of the table to about the best performing airport in the UK for on-time performance (91% compared with a UK average of 78%), 93% of our passengers are through security in less than 15 minutes, and our overall satisfaction rate is 94%, which is incredibly high for an airport.
“It reflects that people who use this airport are quite proud of where they come from and the airport is an extension of that.
“We now have a product that is not perfect, but there is room to improve, and a product we can sell properly to our airline partners.”
The ‘big sell’ will aim to address gaps in JLA’s current offer. Mr Thomas said: “There are segments we don’t offer. Liverpool was a low-cost airport and Manchester was an everything else airport. The gaps in our portfolio are destinations to the Mediterranean and a few gaps on the business side.
“Sadly it is not like flicking a switch. These kind of decisions are typically 12 months in advance. But this phase is going to be about marketing the airport.”
He believes the rebalancing of Easyjet and Ryanair’s operations between JLA and Manchester could encourage new airlines to now consider Liverpool as a viable base: “When Easyjet and Ryanair were here and not in Manchester they were very good at what they did and maybe there were airlines that didn’t want to compete. “But now they have gone to Manchester, that competitiveness situation might have changed. “As Manchester realises it can’t miss out on the growth the low-cost guys delivered, it is for us to concentrate less about carriers but more about destination and product – the Mediterranean, Turkey, Cyprus, the Greek Islands and North Africa where there’s a huge demand. “We know we have the customers who want to fly for a week’s holiday but at the moment they’re going to Manchester. We see the model changing.” He added: “It could be that the low-cost carriers are developing holiday products and that is one segment that is missing. We see low cost carriers focusing more on quality of product and quality of service they give. They are competing for new market share as well.”
Mr Thomas also believes business travel is a sector ripe for investment: “Easyjet are really looking to go after that market. They want 25% of their passengers to be business and we see opportunities in business airports in Europe like Brussels and Frankfurt and also opportunities in the domestic market, places that it’s not easy to get to on a train, like Aberdeen and Edinburgh.”
Mr Thomas acknowledges APD (Air Passenger Duty) has devastated regional routes, but should APD be cut or axed altogether he said the benefits would be tremendous.
“APD is a problem and in the UK there’s not really been any growth in aviation for four years, and the outlook is there won’t be because it is directly impacting on air travel.
“Another recent APD increase in the Budget just gone is not helpful at all, but PricewaterhouseCoopers say that scrapping the tax would deliver a 0.45% boost to GDP within 12 months and could generate 60,000 jobs by 2020.
“The sooner we are aligned with the rest of Europe the better because we have the highest airport taxes in the world.”
He also sees future growth further afield with both existing and new carriers. Earlier this month Ryanair announced a £10bn deal with Boeing for 175 new jets as it seeks to boost routes and services. Last year Ryanair chief executive Michael O’Leary pledged to ramp up operations at Liverpool and fill some of the gaps left by Easyjet.
Mr Thomas said: “The Ryanair order is a reflection of how successful their model is. It is how can we grow together and exploit the opportunity.
“We are in a good place with them. It is a question of understanding the opportunity. The Ryanair order is due to come in in 2015, so we have some time. We have 8% growth with Ryanair this year and we want to go well beyond that. When they start going into their next round of growth we want to be in a position that Liverpool is a logical choice for them.”
Next month a new carrier arrives at JLA when Norwegian starts a route to Copenhagen as part of a five- year deal with the airport. Mr Thomas said: “Norwegian is a big opportunity.”
It currently operates 70 aircraft and has 259 more on order. JLA aims to attract more direct links throughout Scandinavia and also to tap in to Norwegian’s new global routes. The airline will start to fly to New York and Bangkok from Oslo and Stockholm in May and June and Mr Thomas said: “We can see the scenario where people from Liverpool will go to Oslo to go to the US or Thailand.” But he said the Scandinavian links also offer exciting prospects: “Norwegian’s model has been exporting Scandinavians and we are expecting 80% of the Liverpool-Copenhagen route to be Danes and Scandinavians coming in to Liverpool.
“We can see a huge opportunity with Norwegian to deliver further growth. It is 25,000 additional tourists for Liverpool, and we can do that in multiples each time there’s a new route. “If it (Copenhagen) is a success they will put more routes on here. We need to work really hard. This is a competitive market place and Norwegian have the capacity to grow, but they’re going to put that capacity where they make the most money. “Our challenge is to build the brand awareness for them. We will be pulling out all the stops to ensure it is a success. We have seen the early sales data and it seems to be ahead of plan.” Mr Thomas said the strong affinity between Scandinavian football fans and Liverpool FC could probably make Norwegian’s inaugural route a success just based on football season traffic alone.
JLA was competing with Manchester Airport for the Norwegian contract and Mr Thomas said: “Norwegian were looking for competitive commercial terms but they were impressed at how big our appetite was for them.“We have been chasing them for a while now. They know how important they can be for us. We just told them we would do it better than Manchester.”Mr Thomas said parent group Vancouver sees the long-term promise of JLA: “They love Liverpool.
“They say we are well-positioned to compete as we look into the next three- to five-year time frame.
“The market case is compelling. Our focus and challenge is to persuade our airline partners that the opportunity in Liverpool is better than anywhere else.”
As you can see there are a lot of hints, hopefully they will move their whole manchester operation over, can't see them having a largish operation at both.
Also a lot of hints at other things, hopefully things can change this year with the new CEO, from what he's saying there could definetely be some things in the pipeline.
With easyJet and Ryanair at Liverpool other british airlines aren't very keen despite them expanding at Manchester. Perhaps a strategy the airport have adopted is to attract more european airlines like norwegain, air berlin, vueling etc....
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Post by Fox Echo on Apr 2, 2013 13:36:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 22:32:48 GMT 1
Here we go again with the basic inability to see beyond one airport's perimeter fence.
I despair at the lack of perception and appreciation that Liverpool is not an island. It is part of an integrated transport system for the whole of the region.
Think out of the box, FFS. LJLA should be looking at opportunities which bring fresh passenger flows into the region, not just seeking out how to poach traffic from elsewhere so close by and within the same region.
Both airports have been guilty of the same charge over the years, but this myopic rivalry is petty and, be in no doubt, when an airport Director makes cheap jibes at nearby rivals in public, trust me, it doesn't make them look big, clever or particularly astute in the eyes of the airlines they are courting.
Time for the airports and their supporters all to grow up !
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