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Post by LPL on Mar 5, 2011 21:05:16 GMT 1
Seeing as no post giving me the other airports with three rotations I will guess at them being Bristol, Cardiff, Durham, Humberside and maybe Newcastle.
Here is the last three (complete) months that Liverpool had three rotations with a comparison with the other airports.
MARCH 2010
Liverpool - 29.6k
Bristol - 18.7k
Cardiff - 10.9k
Durham - 9k
Humberside - 9.9k
Newcastle - 20.4k
APRIL 2010
Liverpool - 24k
Bristol - 14.7k
Cardiff - 8.5k
Durham - 7.8k
Humberside - 8k
Newcastle - 16.5k
JANUARY 2011
Liverpool - 23.4k
Bristol - 17.5k
Cardiff - 9.1k
Durham - 8k
Humberside - 9.4k
Newcastle - 18.6k
Just to note and using this winters schedules as a guide, Liverpool had up to 3 EZY flights per day and Bristol had up to 2 EZY flights per day in addition to the KLM schedules. I have a feeling that Newcastle had EZY AMS flights also last winter too.
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Post by ametyst on Mar 5, 2011 22:25:56 GMT 1
Of course KLM has experienced it's best 6 months with the introduction of a 4th rotation but the route has only ever exceeded 70% in two calender months and the carryings have dropped considerably since that peak. I am sure KLM are basing their plans on forward figures etc. We can debate load factors for ever and a day but it still remains the fact, that for whatever, reason, KLM ARE dropping the fourth rotation between Liverpool and Amsterdam.
In press releases airports and airlines are always going to "big" themselves up and quite often the rhetoric or "marketng speak" is not backed up by the facts.
Incidentally, easyJet operate one flight a day from Bristol to Amsterdam and most Newcastle services are operated by KLM 737s.
For your information, KLM had a 33.6% market share on the Liverpool to Amsterdam route in January 2011 so that might give you an indication of how things are looking at the moment.
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Post by LPL on Mar 5, 2011 23:23:44 GMT 1
Table showing month - avbl seats - pax total rounded to nearest hundred - load factor
Jan 10400 4800 46%
Feb 10080 5800 58%
Mar 14880 9000 60%
Apr 14400 8500 59%
May 18400 11500 63%
Jun 19200 11800 61%
Jul 19840 13200 67%
Aug 19840 13600 69%
Sep 19200 13600 71%
Oct 19200 14700 77%
Nov 19200 11800 61%
Dec 17280 10100 58%
overall 201920 128400 64%
This is in the order of load factor that shows that the four rotations out performed the three or two rotations. Final column shows how many flights per day for the majority of that month.
Oct 19200 14700 77% 4
Sep 19200 13600 71% 4
Aug 19840 13600 69% 4
Jul 19840 13200 67% 4
May 18400 11500 63% 4
Jun 19200 11800 61% 4
Nov 19200 11800 61% 4
Mar 14880 9000 60% 3
Apr 14400 8500 59% 3
Dec 17280 10100 58% 4
Feb 10080 5800 58% 2
Jan 10400 4800 46% 2
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Post by LPL on Mar 6, 2011 10:51:38 GMT 1
Of course KLM has experienced it's best 6 months with the introduction of a 4th rotation but the route has only ever exceeded 70% in two calender months and the carryings have dropped considerably since that peak. I am sure KLM are basing their plans on forward figures etc. We can debate load factors for ever and a day but it still remains the fact, that for whatever, reason, KLM ARE dropping the fourth rotation between Liverpool and Amsterdam. In press releases airports and airlines are always going to "big" themselves up and quite often the rhetoric or "marketng speak" is not backed up by the facts. Incidentally, easyJet operate one flight a day from Bristol to Amsterdam and most Newcastle services are operated by KLM 737s. For your information, KLM had a 33.6% market share on the Liverpool to Amsterdam route in January 2011 so that might give you an indication of how things are looking at the moment. Regarding Bristol, two or three days they fly 2 per day and the rest is one which is why I said 'up to', same with LPL (3 or 2 per day). Regarding Newcastle, then using 737's as opposed to Fokker 70's shows LPL's figures in a better light. Regarding January 2011, all/most route totals decrease in the first three months of any year. Regarding load factors, by lowering the amount of daily flights is proved by the figures to lead to a lower load factor. Also, 33.6% market share in January equates to 7862 in pax numbers which equals a lf of 55%, nine per cent higher than in 2010. |
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Post by LPL on Apr 1, 2011 23:42:59 GMT 1
By increasing the number of seats available by 33%, with the introduction of a fourth flight, KLM witnessed an increase of 83% in pax uplift in the last half of 2010 as compared with 2009.
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Post by Biggles on Apr 2, 2011 1:43:15 GMT 1
Number crunching is all well and good and no doubt keeps members brain cells alive but, the bottom line is if it works for the airline they will stay if it aint working they won`t.
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Post by LPL on May 27, 2011 17:03:26 GMT 1
Approx stats for KLM incld load factors for 2011:
Jan 55% - 7900 pax with 14400 seats available
Feb 64% - 9300 pax with 14560 seats available
Mar 53% - 10600 pax with 19840 seats available
Jan to Mar 57% - 27800 pax with 48800 seats available
Comparison for 2010:
Jan 48% - 4800 pax with 10080 seats available
Feb 58% - 5800 pax with 10080 seats available
Mar 60% - 9000 pax with 14880 seats available
Jan to Mar 56% - 19600 pax with 35040 seats available
Note - larger aircraft used, diversions or cancellations have not been taken into account.
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Post by northbynorthwest on May 29, 2011 14:56:57 GMT 1
Haven't been able to access KLM loads since the merger with Delta, when we lost the link to KLM reservation system. Disappointing to see the fourth rotation cancelled - especially at the same time as an extra rotation was added into MAN. Result will be a considerable loss of connectivity through AMS, and a resultant decline in passengers who will presumably route through MAN rather than have to wait for several hours for a flight to LPL. I am in particular referring to passengers arriving AMS too late for the first departure to LPL - many North American markets for example.
Recent trips I have made on this route have witnessed similar loads to the averages indicated by LPL. Around 50+/- passengers, mainly connecting - with several Dutch businessmen and very few local businessmen who were probably connecting beyond AMS. I also flew on Easyjet not long ago - perhaps 20-25 empty seats on the first flight out on a Monday. Noted several businessmen onboard. It would appear from this that the local business population may tend to use Easyjet (due cost I presume), whereas the Dutch business travellers use KLM. For this route to thrive, it needs to develop a loyal local following of business travellers as well as passengers connecting.
One thing I find amazing about the LPL-AMS route is that behind the routes to AMS from the London area, only MAN / BHX / EDI have more total passengers in the U.K.-AMS market. That is very impressive, especially when you consider the overlap with MAN. Be interesting to see how loads hold up for Easyjet now they have MAN-AMS flights as well. I think that there will be an overall decline in passenger numbers in the LPL-AMS market this year compared to last due to the cessation of the fourth KLM rotation and also the entry of Easyjet into MAN-AMS.
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Post by LPL on May 29, 2011 21:59:02 GMT 1
Haven't been able to access KLM loads since the merger with Delta, when we lost the link to KLM reservation system. Disappointing to see the fourth rotation cancelled - especially at the same time as an extra rotation was added into MAN. Result will be a considerable loss of connectivity through AMS, and a resultant decline in passengers who will presumably route through MAN rather than have to wait for several hours for a flight to LPL. I am in particular referring to passengers arriving AMS too late for the first departure to LPL - many North American markets for example. The connectivity west bound to the US is, I find, worse than that east bound. I think that there will be an overall decline in passenger numbers in the LPL-AMS market this year compared to last due to the cessation of the fourth KLM rotation and also the entry of Easyjet into MAN-AMS. By not having the fourth flight, apart from the short period earlier this year, the number of available seats flown by KLM will be down by just over 8% exLPL. |
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Post by LPL on Jul 5, 2011 10:35:44 GMT 1
For the three month period of March to May, KLMs pax numbers grew by 23%.
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Post by LPL on Sept 5, 2011 15:16:23 GMT 1
Table showing month - avbl seats - pax total rounded to nearest hundred - load factor Jan 10400 4800 46% Feb 10080 5800 58% Mar 14880 9000 60% Apr 14400 8500 59% May 18400 11500 63% Jun 19200 11800 61% Jul 19840 13200 67% Aug 19840 13600 69% Sep 19200 13600 71% Oct 19200 14700 77% Nov 19200 11800 61% Dec 17280 10100 58% overall 201920 128400 64% The above is 2010 and below is 2011. Jan 14880 7900 53% Feb 14720 9300 63% Mar 19840 10600 53% Apr 19200 13100 68% May 15200 10900 72% Jun 14400 9800 68% |
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Post by northbynorthwest on Sept 15, 2011 0:59:29 GMT 1
Flew into LPL on KL1035 on Friday, Sept 2nd. Just under 60 pax, none in business class. Handful of business travellers - but on a Friday morning, that should be expected. Load out of AMS was around the same as the AMS-NWI flight, and certainly higher than the AMS-MME and AMS-LBA flights leaving around the same time. Returning home through AMS, left on KL1034 on Tuesday, Sept 13th. Just over 60 pax, with 4 in business class. Probably around 20 business travellers. Nice to see steadily increasing loads on recent flights on KLM - but the number of business travellers (and their higher yields) was noticeably lower than the flights to LBA/MME mentioned above. Do Easyjet get many businessmen on their LPL-AMS flights?
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Post by ezs942 on Sept 15, 2011 13:20:50 GMT 1
ive flown to ams on easyJet on many occasions, and i would say at least a dozen buisiness people appeared to be on the flight..to and from amsterdam, The flights i use are Monday to Thursday.
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Post by khardwk on Sept 26, 2011 11:05:26 GMT 1
Good News! - 1
KLM affirms Liverpool commitment
Last updated: 26th Sep 2011 at 09:07am | Air France KLM's general manager Henri Hourcade has affirmed the airline's commitment to Liverpool John Lennon Airport and said its routes from the city are performing well.
Speaking to Insider, he said the company was happy with the performance of its three daily flights to Amsterdam Schiphol, adding that competition from low-cost carriers Ryanair and Easyjet was not an issue.
"We are close to 300,000 passengers since April 2009 so we're on target," he said. "We're in a consolidation period at the moment, but our main purpose as a hub carrier is to transport people from Europe to long-haul destinations, so we're not about to launch lots of new routes from the region."
KLM launched services from the city to Amsterdam Schiphol two-and-a-half years ago, marking a return to the city after a 70-year absence. It previously last flew to Liverpool from 1934 to 1939, when World War II grounded cross channel flights. The routes from Liverpool connected the city to more than 650 worldwide destinations.
Hourcade added: "It's a different business model to other carriers that operate from Liverpool as about 50 per cent of our travellers fly on from Schiphol to other destinations. Our best-sellers from Liverpool are to Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong and we are optimistic about our growth in the region."
He also said that the company has continued to invest in its services, demonstrated last week when Air France KLM has agreed to purchase 60 A350XWB (extra wide body) aircraft from Airbus. The Airbus plant at Broughton, near Chester, employs about 6,000 staff making wings for its aircraft.
"The airline has demonstrated that we are investing despite the challenging times caused by rising fuel prices," said Hourcade. "We have launched 16 new long-haul routes this year alone and the Airbus agreement is a massive investment."
Speaking after the Air France-KLM deal, Airbus chief operating officer John Leahy added: "We are honoured that our all new, extra efficient A350XWB will contribute to Air France KLM's long-term success.
"The unbeatable economics and environmental credentials will establish the aircraft as the future backbone of the airline’s long-haul fleet."
Good News - 2
Travelled out to AMS, en route to Prague, last Monday on mid-morning flight and back to LPL on late evening flight on Friday. Both flights were by F 70 and with no more than 3 empty seats on each leg! Seems we really do need extra capacity now!
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Post by LPL on Sept 26, 2011 11:42:01 GMT 1
Seems we really do need extra capacity now! Larger aircraft do appear to be on the route much more regular of late. |
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