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Post by LPL on Feb 4, 2010 1:48:12 GMT 1
You are talking about Merseytravel and not Merseyrail.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2010 11:03:03 GMT 1
Just to clear up the Transpennine Express details, nearly ALL are indeed t/f Scarborough, stopping at Warrington, Birchwood, Man Oxford Road, Man Picc, Stalybridge, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Malton, Seamer and Scarborough. Very few stop at Dewsbury and I believe the 0616 stops at Widnes. Apart from the SCA trains, there is ONE through train FROM Hull (dep Hull 0600). There are no others and no direct train TO Hull. There is ONE direct train TO Middlesbrough per day (1522) and no direct trains FROM Middlesbrough. The 0616 from Liverpool is six coaches (2x3) and splits at York. One half goes on to Newcastle, the other to Scarborough. There are no other direct trains TO or FROM Newcastle. I'm a bit surprised if TP has applied to op from LSP as they have previously strongly resisted requests to do so and I was told by a certain Network Rail Area Operations Manager that I happen to know quite well (  ) that it would take a change to the franchise conditions to force the TOC to op from there if they did not wish to. Anyway, I'm off the forum again now as I'm only checking in briefly...I'm curently in thick fog on t'other side of t'Pennines having got here last week by said Transpennine Express  |
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Post by alanlpl on Feb 7, 2010 11:27:36 GMT 1
I Look on Transpennine Express timetable There are only one direct train from Newcastle will departed at 06:13 to Liverpool arrival at 09:57 only on a Monday and Saturday.
On Saturday evening there only direct train from Hull will departed at 18:03 to Liverpool arrival at 20:59.
There only direct train to Hull from Liverpool departed at 20:22.
On Sunday timetable:
There are only one direct train to Hull departed Liverpool at 08:22.
Every 2 hours direct train to Middlesborough departed Liverpool are 10:22, 12:22, 14:22 and 16:22.
Every 2 hours direct train to Scarborough departed Liverpool are 09:22, 11:22, 13:22, 15:22 and 17:22.
There only one direct train to Newcastle departed Liverpool in the evening are 20:22.
On Monday and Friday timetable:
06:16 does not stops at Widnes, only stops at Dewsbury.
07:16 does stops at Widnes and Irlam.
14:47 Scarbrough to Liverpool does stop at Hunts Cross.
15:22 Middlesbrough train does stop at Cross Gate only on Monday and Friday.
There only direct train to Hull from Liverpool departed at 19:22.
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Post by ametyst on Feb 7, 2010 11:50:41 GMT 1
First Trans Pennine tendered to be the operator of Liverpool South Parkway but lost out to Merseyrail. As a result the train operator has refused to stop at LSP.
The train operator has been asked each timetable change to stop at LSP but have consistently refused to do so. Merseytravel even cited there was time to include LSP as there is a 4-minute layover at Huddersfield.
However, Trans Pennine want to operate a half hourly train service between Liverpool and Manchester and beyond. As there is no spare capacity on the line through Warrington any extra service would have to operate via Newton-le-Willows. A condition of being granted any extra frequencies from Liverpool is that the trains operating via Warrington would have to stop at Liverpool South Parkway
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Post by harbourcotter on Feb 7, 2010 15:12:15 GMT 1
Alanmai, thanks for your information, its very helpful, although I appreciate we are going off topic a bit.
From your research, it looks like Transpennine have replaced the hourly service to Scarborough with a 2 hourly one and the other service now serves Middlesbrough instead. The number of trains remains the same and the majority have still been transferred to Man airport.
You have also stated the the transpennine will eventually run through Newton, thats what I heard, hence the electification on that line will not assist LPL or Liverpool South Parkway. I also have an indication that the intention is to run more frequent trains from LPL to Man airport via Newton once the electification is complete, with pax going further afield having to change in Man or Leeds. Hence this is bad news for LPL. There will not be any money to upgrade the LPL-Warrington-Man line and that will be left unelectrified with local stopping services to allow fast trains to travel more frequently on the other line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 15:25:56 GMT 1
The half Middlesbro, half Scarbro that Alanmai refers to are, as he says, SUNDAY only. My listing above is based on weekdays and they do all operate to Scarborough apart the few amendments I mention.
I have been on the 1022 and others often enough during the week to know the destinations pretty well by now. I've even been right through to Scarborough on it a number of times!
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Post by LPL on Feb 7, 2010 17:17:42 GMT 1
The half Middlesbro, half Scarbro that Alanmai refers to are, as he says, SUNDAY only. The 1522 Monday to Friday goes to Middlesborough Mondays to Friday. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 17:26:55 GMT 1
The half Middlesbro, half Scarbro that Alanmai refers to are, as he says, SUNDAY only. The 1522 Monday to Friday goes to Middlesborough Mondays to Friday. YES, exactly as I already stated in my earlier posting (reply #16)  I did say in my last "apart the few amendments I mention" |
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Post by Biggles on Feb 7, 2010 19:37:12 GMT 1
I hope from a legal standpoint you have access to a good solicitor, should anyone from the company concerned read your submissions especially the last one.
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Post by andyh on Feb 7, 2010 22:08:42 GMT 1
I doubt very much if Transpennine services will run through Newton in the medium term as the line beyond leeds through to Scarborough isn't electrified. Therefore there's no advantage do doing so.
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Post by sfp on Feb 10, 2010 16:56:40 GMT 1
Hopefully TransPennine Express will call at LSP. It will improve accessibility for Liverpool Airport particularly for those to the east of Manchester. It would also improve commuting for those coming to work in South Liverpool and those that have to travel to Manchester.
Whilst some of the reasons for TPE not stopping at LSP have been given the main reason relates to rolling stock demands and the (non) stop has been used in the bargaining. The electrification of the St Helens/Newton Le Willows route will open up several changes of rolling stock and MAY remove the reason for the delay in scheduling the stop at LSP. There was actually a worry that it might pick up too many people causing overcrowding on an already full train from Lime Street with this causing issues further along the route (eastbound AM trains only).
Pathways at Manchester, Leeds and East Coast Main Line certainly do play a part but the way TPE units crawl through LSP would with very little effort give sufficient time to stop, knowing that the units on the service can accelerate fairly quickly..
It still requires lobbying effort to make sure TPE do stop at LSP.
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Post by LPL on Apr 19, 2011 12:11:09 GMT 1
The airports catchment area is set to grow.
Some Liverpool Lime Street/Blackpool services are being terminated at Liverpool South Parkway from 23 May.
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Post by khardwk on Apr 19, 2011 13:18:48 GMT 1
A very interesting and useful new link for the Airport!
However, as far as I can see from the Northern Rail timetable details, the service is only direct TO Blackpool. Journeys from Blackpool to South Parkway, and stations en route, still all require a change at Lime Street. Hopefully this will change.
Trains depart Liverpool South Parkway at 36 mins past each hour and route via Lime Street to Blackpool North, and also give new direct connections to St Helens, Wigan and Preston and some other intermediate stations.
Journey time South Parkway direct to Blackpool North is normally 1hr 45mins - about 20 minutes longer in the other direction with the change at Lime Street.
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Post by LPL on Apr 19, 2011 13:37:16 GMT 1
A very interesting and useful new link for the Airport! However, as far as I can see from the Northern Rail timetable details, the service is only direct TO Blackpool. Journeys from Blackpool to South Parkway, and stations en route, still all require a change at Lime Street. Hopefully this will change. Trains depart Liverpool South Parkway at 36 mins past each hour and route via Lime Street to Blackpool North, and also give new direct connections to St Helens, Wigan and Preston and some other intermediate stations. Journey time South Parkway direct to Blackpool North is normally 1hr 45mins - about 20 minutes longer in the other direction with the change at Lime Street. Didnt use the timetables, I used the Journey Planner for journeys both ways and believe me they do exist. www.northernrail.org/journey/planner |
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Post by bluefox on Apr 19, 2011 13:59:45 GMT 1
LPL......Some Liverpool Lime Street/Blackpool services are being terminated at Liverpool South Parkway from 23 May.
Do you mean are being terminated or "will stop at"
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) that it would take a change to the franchise conditions to force the TOC to op from there if they did not wish to.
I did say in my last "apart the few amendments I mention"
