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Post by dereks on Feb 26, 2020 19:28:08 GMT 1
Just gone into ADSB and it is showing 2 click though links under ADSBX Radar header - one says Legacy Map - no longer supported but appears to be working then another link saying tar1090 - which appears to be a newer format but doesn't open to any map just some framework stuff Any ideas?
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Post by vanguard on Feb 26, 2020 20:05:40 GMT 1
Hi Dereks,i've just gone onto ADSB,i found "tar1090" but it came up around the NEW YORK area,finaly got back to the UK and played around with the settings and got every thing the way i wanted,i then switched to the Virtual Radar and all was the same as before also found 4 Hawks coming for the ILS.
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Post by radiostationx on Feb 26, 2020 20:14:53 GMT 1
Are we talking about a website adsb exchange ?
They used to use VRS (Virtual radar server) and their map which adsb exchange call legacy map, the tar1090 map is an incarnation of piaware javascript package from flightaware.
Both types use open street maps for mapping which is open source and if you zoom in shows just about every airfield there is, and headings of rwys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 21:12:43 GMT 1
Are we talking about a website adsb exchange ? They used to use VRS (Virtual radar server) and their map which adsb exchange call legacy map, the tar1090 map is an incarnation of piaware javascript package from flightaware. Both types use open street maps for mapping which is open source and if you zoom in shows just about every airfield there is, and headings of rwys. I use it all the time. My experiences with FR 24 are already on record. I was slightly taken aback when I discovered that they'd changed the format, but all seems to be well. I find the airfield detail especially useful. In fact, I've discovered a few near near me which I didn't know about!
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Post by radiostationx on Feb 26, 2020 21:50:32 GMT 1
My home adsb station feeds flightradar24,planefinder,planeplotter,360radar and flightaware. I do not send data to adsb exchange, they publish live (no delay) unfiltered plots of sensitive/mil aircraft for public view with no subscription what so ever. This might sound like a good thing but if it gets into the wrong hands and something happens that will be that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 23:11:43 GMT 1
My home adsb station feeds flightradar24,planefinder,planeplotter,360radar and flightaware. I do not send data to adsb exchange, they publish live (no delay) unfiltered plots of sensitive/mil aircraft for public view with no subscription what so ever. This might sound like a good thing but if it gets into the wrong hands and something happens that will be that. Hmmm, surprising that, especially given that it's a US-based company. I have seen RAF A400Ms and C-130s going over my house, but they haven't always appeared on the screen. Likewise some (but not all) of the US traffic in and out of Mildenhall doesn't show up. I have no idea why this should be.
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Post by radiostationx on Feb 27, 2020 0:24:31 GMT 1
Hmmm, surprising that, especially given that it's a US-based company. I have seen RAF A400Ms and C-130s going over my house, but they haven't always appeared on the screen. Likewise some (but not all) of the US traffic in and out of Mildenhall doesn't show up. I have no idea why this should be. Yes I think its US based run by a guy called James, not sure its a company (James may be enthusiast only..Dunno) You dont see the C-130/A400M & especially Police flights on screen normally because on most radar sites those type of flights are filtered out of public view.. not with adsb exchange, FR24 positions are delayed by 5 mins in USA & Canada or at least it was (by FAA request) not with ADSB Exchange. There are quite a few enthusiast home feeder stations running 24/7/365 around Hatfield/Northants and Mildenhall, they will pick up C-130/A400M over your house but they may choose not feed their data to ADSBX (adsb exchange). All of the sites rely on a community of home based data feeders, there are many thousands all over the globe. FYI Company/Server Locations. flightaware based in Texas flightradar24 based in Sweden planeplotter based in Portugal planefinder based in UK 360radar (aka lowflyingwales) based in UK Lets take one of those services "360radar" (easily the best for military aircraft adsb tracking in the UK) Around our area of Northern England/Midlands the 360radar home data feed stations can be seen on this page mlat-server.co.uk/rx4/coverage/If you zoom into map, you can see the individual feed station locations (nearly all hosted by hobbyists), if you click in right hand column (on a station name) the recent track coverage/activity from that station name is shown.The Northants and Mildenhall area the 360radar feed station locations are shown here mlat-server.co.uk/rx1/coverage/All the signals from each station are fed to the server and a very accurate track is formed and this is shown on screen. The more feeders a service has, the better the coverage.. Feeder stations near airfields are especially good for lower stuff/taxi/on approach etc.
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Post by ikarus on Feb 27, 2020 21:06:05 GMT 1
Hi , any idea why I only have a frozen screen and a few lines of what looks like a task bar , and options , show map does zilch. I can get the old map by clicking on a tab on the page before. Very disappointing just seems to be a frozen screen , certainly no map or activity visible
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Post by dereks on Feb 27, 2020 21:47:26 GMT 1
Ikarus
I think I have the answer
Probably like me you are using an old browser which is no longer supported which is why the new tar1090 link doesn't seem to work- If you go through Google chrome to get to ADSB and then go to the TAR1090 link all should be fine - they have now also added another link under tar10190 which explains what the tabs mean - all very helpful.
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Post by ikarus on Feb 27, 2020 21:53:41 GMT 1
dereks ........thanks very much , switching to Chrome has solved it. Many thanks
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Post by radiostationx on Feb 27, 2020 22:30:34 GMT 1
As an aside but related, Adsb exchange are now experimenting with their new site that puts out live acars & VDL data , it is in beta test at present with a few dozen home monitoring stations feeding it (None so far in UK as far as I can see in the "stations" tab) . app.airframes.io/So I think the plan is to add futher coverage and plot aircraft on the adsb exchange website map using position reports received from home stations tuned to VHF ACARS/VDL frequencies (something which planeplotter has done for years) NWAN resident member ilt is an expert in all things ACARS.
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Post by radiostationx on Mar 1, 2020 19:25:06 GMT 1
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Post by Beemer on Mar 1, 2020 19:35:47 GMT 1
For me long may it reign as I am made up with it. Brilliant on the home computer but a little bit awkward on the mobile but manageable. It works better when viewing in landscape than in portrait. Beemer.
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Post by radiostationx on Mar 1, 2020 20:59:03 GMT 1
The next time the Police,The Royals, SAS/Special Forces, or the US president transit we will have our cameras at the ready, thank God we are in the UK and we have harmless intent..Some other countries wont have cameras at the ready they will be pointing something else instead.
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Post by ilt on Mar 2, 2020 10:24:00 GMT 1
I'm not sure that things displayed in real time concerns me. In fact Planeplotter could potentially be far worse than any of the web-based tracking things you use in that it can use methods other than actual data transmitted by an aircraft to track it. To mitigate this, if you use the feature the result isn't shared back to the network. At the end of the day, if people don't want to be tracked they can turn off a lot of the systems that allow them to be tracked. royals, the ginger merkin etc. file flightplans, they use easily identifiable callsigns on the radio, they do use ads-b etc. They clearly don't care about being tracked. It's amusing that the only time you tend to hear or see a tactical callsign in use by the RAF is when on QRA - which makes it obvious it's a QRA! (it's obvious for other reasons too). Those of you who fly will remember purple airspace - another sure-fire way of tracking the royals and senior armed forces personel up until a few years ago! The problem I see with adsbexchnage is that it has frequently shared data back to the wider network which should not have been shared* (360radar did briefly do it but Phil quickly corrcted that when he was ade aware). Other issues with adsbexchange - the amount of adverts and tracking personal tracking carp it contains.....seems few people these days actually care about their internet privacy when they can't actually see how much data is being collected from them. asbexchange was set up to make the owner money, no other reason.
* data that was then used for multi-lateration despite not being of sufficient time accuracy. It causes aircraft to appear where they aren't and also jump about
Adding data from ACARS/VDL2/HFDL etc. is all well and good but the volume of data is enormous - the stuff will pour past like a waterfall and be unreadable. One has to assume they'll add in the C-band and L-band stuff too at some point...it's easy enough to capture a lot of that.
As for tar1090 being part of piaware...it was created by an individual to suit his needs (as almost all of these kinds of things are to start with) but open-sourced and promoted via flightaware discussion board. Quickly taken up by people using the flightaware decoder (probably the best dump1090 fork available and you don't need to be using flightaware to use it) and can be used as an add-on as it lives in it's own directory (so whatever display you used before will still work). tar1090 offers some big advantages for people who want to display a fairly specific subset of traffic (eg. milair) as it better supports regular expressions in it's filters (those of you who have used VRS -most I imagine - will have seen how inflexible the filters are in that). Planeplotter is ok in terms of using regex BUT complicated regex really slows down the processing of an already bloated piece of software.
Enough waffle - Though interested in the systems the aircraft themselves aren't so interesting and I'm never as good at explaining stuff as Mike!
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