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Post by viscount on Mar 31, 2020 20:31:14 GMT 1
Dalten1, I however am not a new member to this forum, and I would consider myself to be the leading Liverpool Airport historian of the 60s to 80s period. Dalten1 and I have had this same rather too public discussion rather too many times before. Any opportunity to have a doom and gloom opinion of the airlines services at Liverpool Airport, and Dalton1 will be there swinging a steel capped right boot. Totally, utterly predictable and unwelcome.
Now to cap it all, he declares he is not even resident of the region served by Liverpool Airport!
That I am saying as a member. As Admin I'm saying, hopefully very loud and clear, IF YOU TAKE DELIGHT IN ALWAYS BEING NEGATIVE, IMMEDIATELY STOP POSTING ON THIS FORUM. I've heard it said that a forum is a democracy ruled by a dictator. While I don't fully subscribe to that opinion, if you continue to act as a troll, stirring up controversy for the delight of it, then you run a risk of finding membership summarily and quietly deleted. Argue, and that fate will accelerate.
Yes, I'm p....d off with lock down and with negativity. I want to wallow in some good old nostalgia - as is being happily supplied by the spoonful (well delightful images) by 'Acklington', and hopefully others are dusting off their scanner, slide boxes and photo albums to keep us going through these unprecedented and unexpected times.
Dalton1, you have been warned, please keep a low profile.
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Post by 8miles27 on Mar 31, 2020 20:37:21 GMT 1
"Airbus A346" I'm surprised at you joining the 'knockers' and with complete mis-information. Ryanair maintain 3 overnight based aircraft and non-based aircraft likely amount to an average of an additional 2 aircraft per day, maybe closer to 3 more in summer. One thing is certain, they have not moved ALL their routes as you currently state. Perhaps "8miles27" can come to my assistance here, but I suspect that actually Ryanair last summer served more destinations from John Lennon than easyJet. BOTH easyJet and Ryanair have stuck with Liverpool, although both have moved routes to Manchester and expanded there greatly, both have also introduced new routes from Liverpool in the same period. Flybe ceased certain routes eg Belfast City, Edinburgh and Newquay but did not move them across to Manchester as they were operated from there already before the Liverpool services. During the peak summer months of 2019 Ryanair served 34 destinations and easyJet 28.
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Post by dalten1 on Mar 31, 2020 20:51:22 GMT 1
Dalten1, I however am not a new member to this forum, and I would consider myself to be the leading Liverpool Airport historian of the 60s to 80s period. Dalten1 and I have had this same rather too public discussion rather too many times before. Any opportunity to have a doom and gloom opinion of the airlines serving Liverpool Airport, and Dalton1 will be there swinging a steel capped right boot. Totally predictable. Now to cap it all, he declares he is not even resident of the region served by Liverpool Airport! That I am saying as a member. As Admin I'm saying, hopefully very loud and clear, IF YOU TAKE DELIGHT IN ALWAYS BEING NEGATIVE, IMMEDIATELY STOP POSTING ON THIS FORUM. I've heard it said that a forum is a democracy ruled by a dictator. While I don't fully subscribe to that opinion, if you continue to act as a troll, stirring up controversy for the delight of it, then you run a risk of finding membership summarily and quietly deleted. Argue, and that fate will accelerate. I'm p....d off with lock down and with negativity, Dalton1, you have been warned, so keep a low profile. Dear Viscount, I, like you, do not want this to drag on. To put things straight, I was born and raised in Garston. After RAF service, I worked at Liverpool for 10 years, during one of Liverpool's lowest times, 250k pax, until the IAL debacle, robbed me and many of my colleagues, of our local jobs. That's how I ended up at Gatwick, for 26 years. I still keep a watch on events through your forums. I feel, now and again, we need to take off the rose tinted glasses. If I am excommunicated, so be it.
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Post by mooneyncp on Mar 31, 2020 23:42:52 GMT 1
sorry to ask and if this question, causes upset please accept my apologies. although i an nearly sixty and have been a spotter for many a year can you please clarify ,what is "the ial debacle" if you need to use capital letters in box me sorry just wanted to make sure and be clear on what remark is being made. steve also ex garston
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Post by dalten1 on Apr 1, 2020 8:03:47 GMT 1
sorry to ask and if this question, causes upset please accept my apologies. although i an nearly sixty and have been a spotter for many a year can you please clarify ,what is "the ial debacle" if you need to use capital letters in box me sorry just wanted to make sure and be clear on what remark is being made. steve also ex garston Not wishing to get into the politics of this matter, IAL stands for International Airadio Limited. They were an aviation services company who's business included air traffic control, mainly outside Europe.When the contract for Liverpool's A.T.C. came up for renewal, IAL got the contract, as a member of their company was a relation of the then airport director. They never achieved full manning and eventually the airport took it in-house, to what it is now. Sorry for the long winded explanation.
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Post by bulldog on Apr 1, 2020 10:41:05 GMT 1
Surely Dalten1 is discussing a reasonable scenario of possible outcomes. This is a forum , and especially now we don’t have much else to occupy us members should be able to post their thoughts ( negative or positive) as they feel they should. Provided there are no direct insults or criticism of other members. I think it is a bit heavy handed of admin to threaten a ban for expressing an opinion.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Apr 1, 2020 11:08:08 GMT 1
I disagree. Dalten1 has an unfortunate track record of persistently negative posting, to the extent that I have him on ignore. The ethic of this forum is that posts should be factual. I would argue that there is already a surfeit of negative posters here, something you would never witness on the Manchester forums. We need a sense of balance and I totally support Viscount in his stance here.
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Post by dalten1 on Apr 1, 2020 11:10:31 GMT 1
Surely Dalten1 is discussing a reasonable scenario of possible outcomes. This is a forum , and especially now we don’t have much else to occupy us members should be able to post their thoughts ( negative or positive) as they feel they should. Provided there are no direct insults or criticism of other members. I think it is a bit heavy handed of admin to threaten a ban for expressing an opinion. Thank you for your support. I hope you don't get into trouble as well !!. There's not going to be much on the daily threads for some time.
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Post by wally on Apr 1, 2020 11:21:11 GMT 1
Dalten1 Thank you for mentioning your seemingly unresolved issues you have with IAL/Liverpool Airport of old now that affect your attitude towards the present Airport. I can put your negative posts into context now
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Post by wadoki on Apr 1, 2020 14:13:49 GMT 1
I thought the stuff about IAL was both fascinating and relevant.If I did ever know anything about it I'd forgotten. A pedant might suggest it was in the wrong section of the forum but........A)there are very few movements B)some people only look at this section regularly. As long as everyone remains civil to one another let free speech prevail!! We are,after all,free to do bugger all else.
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Post by mooneyncp on Apr 1, 2020 15:40:19 GMT 1
with out adding fuel to the fire,how long ago was this. sorry steve
my apologies Dalten1 for what maybe a sore subject
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Post by viscount on Apr 1, 2020 15:45:43 GMT 1
Wadoki, barely relevant at all; fascinating, yes. The Airport is a completely different place than it was in 1994 (the 26 years ago, 'Dalten1' mentions). My 'take' on the background and appointment of IAL and later Serco is rather different to that of 'dalten1'.
1st April 1982: Contract to provide ATC services at Liverpool Airport changes from the CAA/NATS to International Aeradio (IAL). 1/4/82 to 25/10/82: IAL controllers use temporary 'portacabin on stilts' accommodation on South Airfield 26th October 1982: New VCR and RFFS building open for use to the north of the 09/27 runway. 28th April 1984: New passenger terminal on South Airfield opens, final use of the 'art deco' terminal the evening before. I remember that well as I organised the final passenger flight to arrive, a BMA Friendship charter for the MAS. Year 1984: The nadir of the Airport's fortunes in term of passengers carried, just 0.23m passengers in the whole year. 1st April 1988: Airport becomes a plc in line with Government privatising of Airport policy. The local councils now the shareholders 1st June 1990: British Aerospace purchase a majority shareholding (76%) and create an Airport Company - British Aerospace Liverpool Airport (abbreviated to BALA). Chris Preece, Airport Director since January 1989 became Managing Director of the new airport operating company. Succeeded by Rod Hill, formerly finance director, as MD of BALA April 1992 to August 2002 7th March 1994: BALA appoint another British Aerospace Group company, Serco IAL to take over the day to day operation of the airport, security and continue to provide ATC services. Contract to run for 6 years, ending 30th June 2000. 14th July 1997: Peel Holdings purchase the BAe shareholding and create Peel Airports Ltd as the operating company. During 1999: ATC provision provided 'in house' as a Peel Holdings Company. Quite when other Serco/IAL appointed operations ended eg Security is not covered in my notes. 9th May 2001: Peel Holdings buy out the remaining shareholding of the Councils and become 100% owners of the Airport.
These dates, and many more are covered on thread derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/16388/dates-directors-ceos-rwys-airlines
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Post by dalten1 on Apr 1, 2020 18:12:34 GMT 1
Dalten1 Thank you for mentioning your seemingly unresolved issues you have with IAL/Liverpool Airport of old now that affect your attitude towards the present Airport. I can put your negative posts into context now [/quote Wally. The IAL issue has nothing to do with my observations on past, present and possible future events. Otherwise I wouldn't keep the watching brief, on the airport,that I do, through this forum. What I do have an issue with is the requirement that you can only say that all is sweetness and light at LJLA. I had my say, so for now, I'd better, as they say, wind my neck in,before I put anybody else's nose out of joint.
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Post by mooneyncp on Apr 1, 2020 20:09:31 GMT 1
many thanks for the above infomation,i worked for ncp at speke ( old and new airports )at or around the times stated didn't know much about this. other than maybe airport security going from parks and gardens ( maybe even then i have my years mixed up if sorry ) (nothing in the nwan i think or if there was i missed it / over my head / wage level. lol) steve
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