Your opinion on travel now.

[ronturner]

Given we have a number of travel experts on here I seek your opinion.

My daughter wishes to travel from Bournemouth to Prague, return after 4 days, early September. Ryanair. Flights bookable.

We wonder what would be the situation if the GB government announced whilst she was there, the requirement to go into 14 day quarantine if returning from CR. (Like they did for France this weekend less the 48 hours notice)


What would be the likely reaction of Ryanair? To cancel the return flight, forthwith, or keep flying?
What would be the reaction of the travel insurance company given that she was already at her destination at the time of the announcement?
What are the practical effects of the 14 day quarantine. EG going to the shop to buy food etc?
Any other considerations?

I realise that there may not be clear answers to these question. I think there may be opinions based on experience, from those more connected to the industry than me.
Thanks in advance. PM if you want.

[Deleted]

Personally Ron- in the current climate and with things changing on a day to day basis- I would not consider any travel abroad from or to the UK- I had two holidays this year which I have rescheduled to 2021, hopefully they will go ahead. I am quite happy to stay at home and work. I don't have any interest of visiting any airfields either- albeit it hurts me to say that- currently happy to view some of the excellent photographs on this Forum.

Big decision by your daughter.

AM

[dereks]

Ron

Simply put

Ryanair will fly - if your daughter doesnt turn up - no refund

Travel insurance - she would not have any valid covid cancellation policy - only pre covid bookings which are then cancelled would potentially qualify

On return your daughter would have to isolate and that does mean no going out at all even for shopping

Given the fluidity of the travel /quarantine issues I would not be thinking of travelling unless she can accept the risk of being quarantined on return if that does arise

Dereks

[planemike]

"""""On return your daughter would have to isolate and that does mean no going out at all even for shopping"""""

No shopping for two weeks....impractical for many people?? Like much of this stuff, it cannot be policed.
I would just go about my life as nearly as normal as possible... Have to say not my problem at the moment...!!

PM

[dereks]

Planemike

I'm afraid your response shows you have little or no care for anyone else - Happy to travel but not prepared to follow guidelines designed to protect everyone else.

So you travel - get infected and are "Happy to go about your life as nearly as normal" and in the process potentially infecting how many other people! You only have to listen to what the German govt are saying about the source of their increase in positive cases - holidaymakers returning home.

Well just maybe one of your friends might take a similar view -then it could become your problem.

Dereks

[viscount]

Around Andulucia the Pharmacies have a poster in the window regarding the wearing of masks. How rigorous/accurate the research was that produced the figures, I don't know - but the pattern makes sense.

T'other Brian has been along to insert an image on my behalf (my many thanks for his help). The poster simply shows 4 scenarios between 2 persons, one with Covid-19 and contagious, the other without, and presumably inside the 2m 'social distancing' boundary.

Both persons without masks: Probability of contagion 90%

Contagious carrier without mask, healthy person with: Probability of contagion: 70%

Contagious carrier with mask, healthy person without: Probability of contagion: 5%

Both persons with masks: Probability of contagion: 1.5%


Covid

Thank goodness, at least in my part of Spain, that the wearing of masks while out in public places is obligatory, enforced and adhered to by everyone including children. The one big weakness is at, or walking through, pavement cafes, bars and restaurants. Those figures do show how the onus is on the infected person to mask up. However as many infected carriers are asymptomatic, so are unaware they are infectious, then it is absolutely everyone needs to protect others, rather than protecting themselves by mask wearing.

Odds of under 2 in 100 of contracting Covid when travelling should you come into contact with a Coronavirus carrier and everyone is masked and does not eat/drink, acceptable. Odds of 7 in 10 of contracting it if a fellow passenger is a carrier and not masked - even if you are, definitely an unacceptable risk!

[ronturner]

Thanks for your participation everyone

[bulldog]

The image of the poster is very interesting and I think very forceful. It’s a shame the muppets in charge of this country don’t actually come out and do something similar , but then that would mean they would have to make a firm decision and stick to it.

[Deleted]

I agree the poster is excellent- and yes the Gov in this country have not helped themselves with some of their decisions.

AM

[markmai]

Ron, the Czech Republic is now on the quarantine list as from Saturday

[ronturner]

Thanks again everyone and I do like that poster.

[planemike]

The poster fails to show the scenario where neither person has the virus, in which case transmission can be GUARANTEED to be 0.00 % without the use any mask.....

I reiterate....... if NEITHER person is infected it can be GUARANTEED there is no transmission.
I did not say any particular individual could be guaranteed virus free but in practise a very large number will be so. In UK at present only 1 in 1900 approx. i.e. the other 1899 are not.

[viscount]

The only persons who can be GUARANTEED not to have the Virus will have had to have been in absolute isolation in sterile air for 2 weeks (submariners perhaps?). As no one in the general population can be guaranteed not to be infectious (even if recently tested), then your statement is superfluous and misleading, even if correct in a non-covid-19 world..