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Post by baldyman26 on Oct 6, 2011 9:16:16 GMT 1
Well said, I said it before, if we don't use, then they will go...Credit to flybe for having a go in the first place. But to look at it from another point of view, they did come in forst time round with big promisses and then slipped back down the M56, so I can understand why people seem upset, but at the end if the day, the route wasn't making money..end of.
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Post by midland500 on Oct 6, 2011 15:35:29 GMT 1
but the load factors show it simply wasn't economically feasible. My view is the route was growing nicely for Flybe. From a poor start last Autumn it was getting load factors into the high 50's and if given the chance I would have thought would be a successful route within the next year, However Airlines seldom give a route a chance to develop any more. The market is there as we know Liverpool-Belfast is the biggest domestic route outside of London. A quick look a Flybe carryings on a few routes show that there is a few performing a lot worse Load factor wise which means yield must have been low on this route, And Flybe (looking at its share price) doesnt have time to let the route develop. I would expect Flybe to dump a few more domestic routes over the coming months. |
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Post by cessfly on Oct 6, 2011 15:59:54 GMT 1
I agree Midland, competition can have a large bearing on yield, and if projections are poor then the dead wood has to be cut unfortunately.
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Post by midland500 on Oct 6, 2011 16:22:18 GMT 1
I agree Midland, competition can have a large bearing on yield, and if projections are poor then the dead wood has to be cut unfortunately. Yes but a route that carries 524,000 a year (2010 figure) should not be treated as dead wood, but as I said it looks like Flybe does not have time on its side to develop it. |
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Post by cessfly on Oct 6, 2011 16:33:32 GMT 1
To BE it is deadwood. Too much competition drives yields down, sometimes quite considerably.
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Post by LPL on Oct 6, 2011 17:18:26 GMT 1
I agree Midland, competition can have a large bearing on yield, and if projections are poor then the dead wood has to be cut unfortunately. Yes but a route that carries 524,000 a year (2010 figure) should not be treated as dead wood, but as I said it looks like Flybe does not have time on its side to develop it. 2010 - 524k 2009 - 555k 2008 - 551k 2007 - 486k 2006 - 526k |
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Post by cessfly on Oct 6, 2011 17:44:16 GMT 1
LPL, I would bet that the cost of operating the route in 2006 was far more favourable than it is in 2011.
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Post by LPL on Oct 6, 2011 17:46:06 GMT 1
I would bet you wouldnt know.
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Post by cessfly on Oct 6, 2011 19:47:33 GMT 1
Whats your experience to judge then LPL? Ever worked in a yield analysis capacity?
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Post by jake3 on Oct 6, 2011 21:34:30 GMT 1
HANDBAGS....
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Post by Biggles on Oct 6, 2011 21:48:56 GMT 1
Yield Analysis Capacity.
Is that really a job girls ? LOL
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Post by ronturner on Oct 7, 2011 7:34:12 GMT 1
First Ryanair, then Flybe, and goodness knows who else before them!
Maybe these airline blokes know a bit more about financial planning than we do. Surely that cannot be true?
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Oct 7, 2011 7:38:43 GMT 1
On October 5 I was the one who over-reacted and shot my mouth off without knowing the full facts. It seems that there is more to this than one airline de-camping to Manchester to spite Liverpool as the slump in the Flybe share price recently has shown. So, my apologies for starting a debate that has deteriorated into a slanging match.
Now for the tongue in cheek section: With the Liverpool/Belfast route pulling over 500,000 passengers a year - remember that when BA ran it the totals were 40,000 per annum - there should be, in some capacity, room for productivity improvements in order to make it profitable. So how about us all raiding our piggy banks and forming Liverpool Connect Airways and operating a regular Liverpool/Belfast route followed by Glasgow and Edinburgh. Now if this doesn't stir up some reaction on this forum then I will eat my hat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 12:05:04 GMT 1
(Deleted personal slanging match posts)
Stick to the story - end of...
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Post by andyh on Oct 12, 2011 13:59:38 GMT 1
I have to say I'm surprised that FlyBe is dropping the BHD route altogether. Pax numbers don't seem to be the issue - the route carries moe pax than their LBA service with similar frequencies so as suggested elsewhere the issue must be yields. If that's the case why hasn't the airline reduced frequencies as a first step in order to drive up yields on the remaining flights? It worked for KLM so why not FlyBe?
I am also intrigued that they describe the service as suspended, so does this mean it key return in the summer?
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