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Post by owensy on Oct 22, 2011 20:41:49 GMT 1
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Post by viscount on Nov 18, 2011 16:29:24 GMT 1
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Post by danairamb on Nov 18, 2011 17:20:26 GMT 1
These are great pictures and show how complex a task this is. The plane is obviously a hybrid, I wonder where that door came from? Any idea what the plans will be for the HS-748 front section that is already in place on the apron next to the Jetstream? Perhaps parts of that can be used (as necessary) for JD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2011 17:36:17 GMT 1
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Post by mictheslik on Nov 18, 2011 18:09:21 GMT 1
And now there's a different door on her   JD's original cargo door is actually on the cockpit of G-ORAL (the section next to the jetstream) .mic |
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Post by viscount on Nov 18, 2011 23:42:22 GMT 1
In the final months of Emerald service several of the HS.748s had components swopped around. In no way is G-BEJD a composite aircraft, just a few components clearly acquired from others in the fleet. All sections of the structure are genuine 'JD.
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Post by Cityflyer on Nov 20, 2011 13:39:29 GMT 1
It was allways nice to see the different combination of Door's to Airframes on Emerald Aircraft
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Post by thepaperplane on Nov 22, 2011 22:13:48 GMT 1
Not just doors - radomes too! As stated, G-ORAL's cockpit has JD's door but also has the radome off yet another 748. JD's radome isn't original either, come to that!
On AL, the original one was damaged in a ground handling accident and this one put on and never (as seems to be the way with Emerald) painted to match the existing scheme. I suppose this is the downside of having such a variety of colour schemes on a single type in the fleet.
Doors were taken off for overhaul and replaced with a serviceable item to get the aircraft back on the line as quickly as possible, which is why they got mixed up. For a door they are very complex - just take a look at the levers linkages inside one if/when you visit Speke next.
JD now has her windscreens fitted and a full set of de-ice boots, as well as the noted replacement cargo door (changed due to the old one from XI missing some crucial parts). She's basically just being secured for the winter and whilst plans are laid for her reassembly next year. To this end two ex-Chadderton fuselage trestles were delivered last Sunday too.
Pilot seats and spare windows, as well as a plethora of other surplus/spare parts have been delivered to Speke too, all to help in her eventual restoration. Work in the cockpit will probably continue through the winter, being, essentially, an indoor job so it is hoped this will come together quite soon. It is being carried out by a couple of ex-748/Emerald engineers so she's in good and competent hands.
A load of spare instruments are due for delivery too and a plan is being hatched to investigate the feasability of making the captains (LH) side a simulator leaving the co-pilot's side original. Colour scheme still yet to be decided but the Dan-Air red scheme is looking likely.
Nice pics by the way, Viscount.
tpp.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 22:45:31 GMT 1
Colour scheme still yet to be decided but the Dan-Air red scheme is looking likely. Although, a nice colour scheme there are number of aircraft around in Dan-Air livery. It's only a suggestion but as both Skyways and Channel Airways 748's graced the apron in the 60's would it be able to go in to one of these? I will probably be corrected but I don't think either livery is displayed today, then again, neither is the original Dan-Air Skyways (see photo link below). www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1282140 |
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Post by viscount on Nov 23, 2011 1:56:45 GMT 1
As an alternative view, I would back a repaint into a 'genuine' scheme actually worn by the aircraft. The initial Aerolineas scheme, later with YPF titles is irrelevant to Liverpool; the Emerald/Reed scheme too recent (and a little bland), which leaves the two Dan Air schemes. The earlier darker scheme is a real contender, although I feel that the final, much lighter scheme is way more attractive, although likely more complex to apply. Either would be relevant to Liverpool. Anyone have a date for the Dan Air scheme repaint? Painted into DA colours early 1977, in the lighter scheme by May 1984. She will have been seen at Liverpool in the final lighter scheme more often than the dark scheme. Incidently, what is the correct descriptive word for the Dan Air shade of 'red' used during the period I refer to as the 'dark tail' period, others as 'white circle' scheme? www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/393715.htmlavia-dejavu.net/photo%20G-BEJD.htmNeither are at Liverpool, but are clear shots of the two Dan Air schemes worn on G-BEJD. Ste-t's statement "There are a number of aircraft around in Dan Air colours" has set me thinking. The result of all that thought, amounts to a York at Duxford, Comets at East Fortune and Duxford. Where else, and on what types, is the Dan Air scheme currently displayed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 15:59:58 GMT 1
Off the top of my hat other complete frames I can think of are G-ALZO (Duxford) G-APYD (Wroughton) and G-BDIW (Hermeskeil). Unfortunately, Duxfords G-APDB has lost it's Dan-Air colours and is now in it's original BOAC markings.
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Post by thepaperplane on Nov 23, 2011 22:14:08 GMT 1
If I had to choose, I'd go for the red tail fin scheme - but it will be discussed and I will do as I am told! (that'll be a change).
If anyone is able to provide the correct colour specs for the schemes, that would be very useful. Can I presume that the red used will be the same for each scheme?
Painting will, in all probability, not begin for a couple of years - at least, not until JD is back together. I would think that some prep and priming may take place though, in the interim whilst she is nearer to the ground.
tpp
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Post by viscount on Nov 23, 2011 23:24:18 GMT 1
Umm...............
Interesting.
The York is on public display at Duxford, while the Ambassador is currently out of public gaze, dismantled in storage. Both the Ambassador and York are in black tail scheme, with red detail.
Of the Dan Air marked complete Comets: G-BDIX at East Fortune, G-BDIW in Germany and G-APYD at Wroughton, all are in the red tail with white circle scheme favoured for Avro 748 G-BEJD. However, the Science Museum at Wroughton has very limited opening for public viewing, so to view another Dan Air aircraft in the red tail scheme means a trip to Edinburgh or Germany.
From photos and memory the shade of red used on the two Dan Air schemes on G-BEJD were somewhat different. However it is most probable that the shade used was common across the fleet - so the Comets at East Fortune and Wroughton could provide a colour pattern for the earlier 'JD scheme. If SAHG are seriously considering the older, darker scheme, then they may do well to contact the Science Museum and National Museums of Scotland for help regarding specs and shades. Don't know if either organisation has resprayed their Comet, if they have then could be of considerable help re the fairly complex tail logo. The later Dan Air scheme is still on 'JD under the Emerald white paint.
While we, on the forum, may have no influence as to the scheme ultimately adopted, hopefully we can ensure that SAHG is fully informed about the options available.
A truism, but as G-BEJD is the only Avro/HS.748 in the hands of a UK preservation group, whatever scheme it is in, it will be unique!
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Post by Cityflyer on Nov 26, 2011 19:54:31 GMT 1
Also remember the Dan Air Staff Asociation. There news letter has already carried a story about JD, and may be a source of information
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