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Post by highfly on Sept 26, 2022 14:17:41 GMT 1
What are your all your thoughts on the implications of DSA closing for Liverpool?
-'ves Loss of income for remote atc services? Damaged reputation of peel affecting airlines/contractors wanting to do future business (e.g tui/wizz)? Could peel look to do the same here, using the free trade zone to turn the land into warehouses and customs facilities?
+'ves Equipment owned by peel cascaded to Liverpool (e.g new jet bridges)? Shift in traffic to the west making routes more viable (if DSA passengers now use Manchester, could that make a duplicate at Liverpool more viable)? Peel invests money from the sale of DSA into Liverpool to make it even more robust and competitive?
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Post by bulldog on Sept 26, 2022 14:22:02 GMT 1
On there website it states activity will start to wind down from October 31st . Doesn’t give Vulcan much time
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Post by robaero on Sept 26, 2022 15:06:10 GMT 1
On there website it states activity will start to wind down from October 31st . Doesn’t give Vulcan much time Vulcan mob have to be off site by October 2023 apparently.
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Post by ronturner on Sept 27, 2022 17:52:19 GMT 1
I have not had time to read all about this but I hope the local authority and the government authority that looks after strategic affaires, (if there is one), safeguards the runway and the approaches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 11:38:07 GMT 1
I did some consultancy work for DSA some years ago. I have to say that it wasn't very successful. The problem is basically the catchment area. LBA gets the lion's share of the business from that part of the world and the long-haul traffic goes across the Pennines to MAN of course. One idea we had was to use DSA as a base for storing and scrapping aircraft, similar to Kemble and St Athan, but despite it being in the centre of the metal industry, there wasn't a lot of support for the idea. There was and is freight traffic, which works when there are large volumes, such as at EMA, but freight doesn't park cars, buy duty-free, coffee and snacks all of which, as we know, make a substantial contribution to any airport's income. Then there was the Vulcan - VTTS. A great idea with lots of support, both moral and financial - they were even awarded a significant amount of Lottery money, and something which, if handled properly, could have been expanded significantly. My impression was that the whole thing at ground level was very amateurish. They once came to give us a presentation on what they planned to do with it when it had stopped flying, and it was one of the most inept presentations I have ever seen. Recent events at Wellesbourne Mountford have shown that the trustees of these old aircraft are not always the best ones to take care of them. (Please note I do not infer that the excellent efforts by all concerned at Speke fall into this category). First and foremost, Peel are landowners. The airport has been losing money for a long time, and they can hardly be blamed for wanting to sell up. The same thing happened at MME and the local authority with no experience whatsoever in running an airport, took over responsibility for it. How long that will continue is anyone's guess, but a quick look at the departures board reminds me all too much of DSA when I was working there. linkThe M18 runs very close to the airport and given the current demand for warehousing, (they are springing up like mushrooms in Northants), I imagine that it will not be long before the place is covered with them. Anyone who has driven down the southern section of the M1 recently will be aware of the huge amount of warehouse development, in an area where land is very expensive. It didn't take long for the airfields at Hatfield and Woodford to be built on, and I suspect that sadly, DSA will not be far behind. What will happen to the Vulcan? Well, I wouldn't like to put money on it. I know the Avro museum at Woodford is looking at it, but given the recent problem at Wellesbourne, I imagine that wherever it goes, the likelihood of moving it under its own power, thus attracting more punters, is extremely slim and thus reduces its chances of finding a good home. We can only hope...
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Post by sthelensplanespotter on Sept 28, 2022 20:02:01 GMT 1
What are your all your thoughts on the implications of DSA closing for Liverpool? -'ves Loss of income for remote atc services? Damaged reputation of peel affecting airlines/contractors wanting to do future business (e.g tui/wizz)? Could peel look to do the same here, using the free trade zone to turn the land into warehouses and customs facilities? +'ves Equipment owned by peel cascaded to Liverpool (e.g new jet bridges)? Shift in traffic to the west making routes more viable (if DSA passengers now use Manchester, could that make a duplicate at Liverpool more viable)? Peel invests money from the sale of DSA into Liverpool to make it even more robust and competitive? The impact will no doubt be significant on Liverpool. As I've mentioned previously, Liverpool provides radar control for Doncaster and thus has more controllers employed to account for that position. Services for both Liverpool and Doncaster are provided by ATCSL and I can see some laying off of controllers and engineering personnel at both sites from them. As for equipment at DSA, I do not see Liverpool acquiring jet bridges due to the budget nature of airlines operating here, as well as them just being another unnecessary job for Swissport to deal with. We could, however, see some vehicles, terminal furnishings and the like transferred. As for a boost in investment, I see no reason why Peel should not invest further into the airport considering its performance, especially post-pandemic. Very sad to see Doncaster go, and though unrealistic, I wish we could find some room for the Vulcan up here. Would be a great attraction.
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Post by robaero on Oct 7, 2022 11:43:18 GMT 1
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Post by andyh on Oct 7, 2022 17:42:47 GMT 1
NOTAM now out saying effectively that from 5th October the airport is not available for non-scheduled and Jon-based aircraft, diversions not accepted from then nor will freight handling or general and executive aviation handling services be available. Valid through to 5th January 2023.
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Post by robaero on Nov 7, 2022 12:20:53 GMT 1
Hi folks, for anyone interested in the Avro Vulcan at DSA here is a bit of information about the last engine run.
Sunday the 20th will see Vulcan XH558 run her engines for final time at Doncaster Sheffield Airport
The planned time's subject to aircraft serviceability & weather will be 10am & 2pm
Best place to view from will be Old Bawtry Road Lat/Long's below.
53.4666971, -1.0048504
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