Ryanair 2011

[coaxingtin]

"An exciting new destination to Toulon" is something of an exaggeration, apart from being grammatically dodgy. Sounds like another suck-it-and-see route which will soon be dropped like nearby Marseilles and others. (Or was Marseilles an easyJet route - I can't remember!)

[gottago]

Dec 22, 2010 13:56:29 GMT 1 LPL said:

Ryanair says the latest expansion means it will carry more than 2.5 passengers every year through Liverpool.

Well yeah, you'd hope so.

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2010 16:14:22 GMT 1 coaxingtin said:

"An exciting new destination to Toulon" is something of an exaggeration, apart from being grammatically dodgy. Sounds like another suck-it-and-see route which will soon be dropped like nearby Marseilles and others. (Or was Marseilles an easyJet route - I can't remember!)

I spent one night in Toulon once - we got the fast ferry to Corsica the following morning. Had a night out in the town. There were raucous sailors dancing on tables!!

Can't say the place has too much to offer, but if you want to spot lots of French Navy ships, then this is the destination for you!

Cheers,

Dave

[tonyspeke]

Toulon is to be twice weeklyfrom 28/3/11, Monday and Fridays. The schedule is yet to be released along with 9 other routes.

My list only has 38 summer routes, including the ten not yet released.

Has the figure of 41 come from Ryanair, in which case we can expect 3 more routes to be announced, or is it poor reporting that has counted the current Ryanair route list that includes Bremen, Lodz and Salzburg?

[LPL]

Poor reporting and the LDP&E go hand in hand but I dont think you can pin it to them this time.

They will have been told by FR what to print and if you take it word for word then it will be 41 routes served (in winter and summer) in 2011, ie they will have counted Salzburg's all two rotations in Feb as being one route!

[northbynorthwest]

Is it just me or does it appear that Ryanair are just throwing darts at a dartboard? There doesn't seem to be much market research being done by some of the low cost carriers, and it appears to me that, perhaps, Ryanair are the worst offenders in this regard. They jump into a market for a while until people have "been there, done that", then they lob another dart at the dartboard and try there instead. Maybe they can recycle all the markets they drop every 15-20 years? I suppose you can either look at it as either a crazy or a brilliant strategy.

[LPL]

Yes, but they do get the pax in.

[Fox Echo]

Dec 23, 2010 7:21:22 GMT 1 northbynorthwest said:

Is it just me or does it appear that Ryanair are just throwing darts at a dartboard? There doesn't seem to be much market research being done by some of the low cost carriers, and it appears to me that, perhaps, Ryanair are the worst offenders in this regard.

A Ryanair spokeswoman I heard said that government taxes had been a major influence on their 2011 route planning. She compared the imposition of departure taxes at German airports with the "more enlightened" decision of Spain to support its tourist trade by not imposing them, hence Ryanair's decision to increase capacity to Spain, whilst pulling some German routes.

There seems little doubt however that Ryanair use "big stick" tactics to play off regional governments & airport operators against each other and adopt a "teach you a lesson" philosophy.

[LPL]

The situation now for a peak Saturdays in August is looking like they have a full program for six aircraft and a part filled one for the seventh.

This gives 20 rotations on that Saturday.

There is another three routes flown by non-based aircraft from/to Faro, Girona and Pisa.

There looks like there could be other routes still to be loaded to Bratislava, Krakow, Rimini, Stockholm and Szczecin.

Routes to Bremen, Lodz, Salzburg and Venice appear to have been lost in the summer at least.

[Biggles]

Ryanair need to employ better customer care staff. I dropped my accountant at LPJL this morning to catch the RYR445 to Dublin, having booked online she progressed fine and boarded the aircraft after a 30 min delay, doors closed ready to go when it was announced that there would be a further slight delay as they needed to board some more passengers from another flight ( the )extra RYR to Dublin reported elsewhere). Having done that ready to go, no they had missed the slot and would be delayed further which then developed into nearly 3 hours sitting on the aircraft, at which point the pilot announced that pax would have to disembark as the aircraft was needed for another flight, there was a tenative sit in until RYR to enforce the removal took off all the luggage.
Check mate, people disembarked and returned to the terminal to seek advice, only advice was that no flights would be available until Boxing Day 26th. Passengers were extremly unhappy with the treatment, one offer was to try and fly into Cork or Shannon which is not much help to someone trying to get to Dublin for Christmas with the family.
I did try the Ferry as an alternate way to get to Dublin from Birkenhead, but it does not have any sailings 24th and the 23 rd was booked solid and had been for days.
Merry Xmas Mr.O`leary and your staff for being so courteous and helpful to your paying passengers.
Information from Dublin end is that this scenario has happened a few times this week with passengers being removed from aircaft which is reportedly needed for another flight, again Dublin pax where offered Cork or Shannon as a way to Dublin ?

[ametyst]

Biggles, I have been dealing with similar situations all week but for Ryanair read Air France, Austrian Airlines and Britsh Airways.

I have had to deal with passengers today who should have been going to Vancouver yesterday but instead they are stuck in London until 27th.

Dublin Airport was today saying they would open at 13:30 and they kept delaying the opening times by 30 minutes each time. If there is no chance of the flight going to Dublin then unfortunately there is no point keeping passengers on the aircraft indefinitely and then delaying another plane load of passengers who are flying to a destination that is fully operational.

It is an awful situation for the passengers affected but at least the offer of flights to Cork or Shannon allows the passengers to at least travel to the same country where alternative ground arrangements are available.

When BA cancelled Geneva flights this week they were offering Milan as an alternative and Berlin passengers were being offered Prague or Warsaw as an alternative.

I am not defending what happened on the Ryanair flight at Liverpool, but it really has been one of those weeks and it ain't over yet!!!

[Biggles]

I fully agree with youyr reply which is what I tried to tell her when she returned home eventually, worn out. Her main complaint and is is echoed by every one delayed is that the information being passed down is non existant or totally wrong. People would probably accept the truth if it is given to them at the time instead of the usual could not care less jobs worth attitude that seems to prevail these days.
Thanks for the detailed reply though.

[ametyst]

You are right, passengers should be informed even if they do not like what they are being told. At least, with the correct information, you can then make a considered decision.

When it comes to poor information this week,don't even get me started on BMI or British Midland International as it is now been re-branded.

[Beemer]

Toulon brings back memories for me. In 1960 myself and my then girl friend drove down to the South of France in my brand new Mini van. We drove along the south coast of France till we came across Toulon. We parked in a lay-by and she slipped on her bikini and I put on my Speedos (not a pretty sight) grabbed a towel and headed for the beach only to find no beach just a bloody dock yard. What fools we felt. Regards Beemer.

[Fox Echo]

Dec 23, 2010 20:43:27 GMT 1 Biggles said:

Ryanair need to employ better customer care staff. I dropped my accountant at LPJL this morning to catch the RYR445 to Dublin, having booked online she progressed fine and boarded the aircraft after a 30 min delay, doors closed ready to go when it was announced that there would be a further slight delay as they needed to board some more passengers from another flight ( the )extra RYR to Dublin reported elsewhere). Having done that ready to go, no they had missed the slot and would be delayed further which then developed into nearly 3 hours sitting on the aircraft, at which point the pilot announced that pax would have to disembark as the aircraft was needed for another flight, there was a tenative sit in until RYR to enforce the removal took off all the luggage.
Check mate, people disembarked and returned to the terminal to seek advice, only advice was that no flights would be available until Boxing Day 26th. Passengers were extremly unhappy with the treatment, one offer was to try and fly into Cork or Shannon which is not much help to someone trying to get to Dublin for Christmas with the family.
I did try the Ferry as an alternate way to get to Dublin from Birkenhead, but it does not have any sailings 24th and the 23 rd was booked solid and had been for days.
Merry Xmas Mr.O`leary and your staff for being so courteous and helpful to your paying passengers.
Information from Dublin end is that this scenario has happened a few times this week with passengers being removed from aircaft which is reportedly needed for another flight, again Dublin pax where offered Cork or Shannon as a way to Dublin ?

Biggles

Firstly, not sure why you have posted this under Ryanair 2011 when your gripe is about a LPL movement today.

As for your Ryanair /O'Leary bashing, it is well publicised elsewhere today that RYR did everything possible to try to get as many of their flights in & out of DUB today. DUB has been SNOCLO for much of the past 24 hours and will remain so until at least 5.00 am on 24/12, so with that state & no slot what was the point of pax remaining on the aircraft & upsetting even more pax by delaying its next rotation to an open destination?

Taking the offer of an alternative SNN or ORK flight would at least have got pax across the Irish Sea & enabled them to get train or bus connections to DUB. You give no credit for the fact that RYR scheduled extra flights today to try to cope with weather delays or the fact that they have proved better than most major airlines in recent weeks in terms of the lowest percentage of flights cancelled.