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Post by Scooby on May 7, 2009 14:43:01 GMT 1
Over the past six yrs i've been going on my lunch to the GA parking up for around 3/4 hr with no hassle.
Today I get there and Security came over and asked myself and other people to move on, "a request from the tower" he said.
Has anyone else been moved on recently.
Allan
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Post by coaxingtin on May 7, 2009 15:12:47 GMT 1
Sounds like an excuse, Scooby. The GA car park is not very visible from the tower, even through binocs. We certainly wouldn't request you to be moved on in any case. Maybe there were just too many spectators' cars that day and Security thought they'd better do something about it?
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Post by Scooby on May 7, 2009 16:54:58 GMT 1
Sounds like an excuse, Scooby. The GA car park is not very visible from the tower, even through binocs. We certainly wouldn't request you to be moved on in any case. Maybe there were just too many spectators' cars that day and Security thought they'd better do something about it? There was only a family in a car and older gentleman spotter and myself. Allan |
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Post by Beemer on May 7, 2009 17:24:09 GMT 1
I was there for about an hour this morning with about three other cars and the security passed by and said nothing but then I went to the mound of my own volition. Regards Beemer.
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Post by ps on May 8, 2009 0:16:40 GMT 1
3/4 hour lunch ??
Wouldn't mind one of them
Only joking............
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Post by peterogden79 on Jun 3, 2009 15:17:52 GMT 1
Quite often park near the GA entrance over the past 5 years and have only been moved once,about a fortnight ago,once again the reason stated was request from the control tower,I always thought that ATC was for the cotrol of aircraft and not cars in a car park
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Post by G-PHIL on Jun 11, 2009 15:31:10 GMT 1
There is only one answer and that is to stand up to them, it's obvious they are telling porkies.
Ask them for their name's (doubt they would tell you) and make a note of the time, vehicle type and reg and a description of what they looked like and report them.
They are jobs worth, got nothing better to do than to try and use what little bit of authority they think they have by picking on people who are just enjoying their hobby.
Spotters visit the GA and the mound especially during the Summer more times a day than the security and are more likely to see something dodgy and so be able to report it.
The local yobs and villains can blast up and down Oglet Lane on stolen motorbikes or in stolen cars and cause criminal damage and i have been told by the airport security that it's nothing to do with them and they just turn a blind eye to this behavior and yet the land is supposed to be owned by Peel Holdings.
Phil
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Post by viscount on Jun 11, 2009 17:29:46 GMT 1
Sorry G-PHIL, but I strongly disagree. Have you thought through the second line of your comments ? Where the emotive, and now very one sided matter of airfield/aircraft/passenger security is concerned, those applying their rules will always HAVE to win ie arguing with security will rebound back onto the enthusiasts and we will be moved on more frequently. Getting Airport Security annoyed will have a negative effect on us all - like it or not. As far as I am concerned the advice on www.nwan.co.uk and on earlier posts on this and the former nwanforums is good (even if annoying to us): if & when requested to move on, then do so with the mininum fuss. By doing so we are showing that we CAN and DO act responsibly - answering back/arguing the toss is NOT responsible in a security situation (even if the reasons given are naf!), any unfortunately will reflect badly on us all. As to the mini bikes and boy racers on the public roads or on farmland outside of the airfield boundary and airfield service roads - this is clearly a Police matter and not airfield security. Imagine the hue and cry if there was an on-airfield incident while security were off site chasing yobs in stolen cars over which they have no powers of arrest!! |
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Post by markmai on Jun 11, 2009 18:24:49 GMT 1
Surely anybody outside of the airfield fence is a police matter? What is the difference between a local sh#t on his bike and a spotter? As long as you are not over the fence you can do what you want!!! This country is turning into the most unpleasant in the world to live,
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Post by viscount on Jun 11, 2009 19:13:45 GMT 1
In the case of the GA Car park area it is INSIDE the airfield boundary fence. Look next time you turn in and there is an operable gate in the fence you have driven through. True it is not a secure area until the next gates (pedestrian onto the apron, key coded gate by road around to LAS/Ravenair/Keenair hangars), but the rough ground and earth bank area we use are quite clearly on fenced airport land - it is not a public road or farmland as seems to be suggested above.
While I agree "tower asked us to move you" is not the world's best excuse, I can well see that Liverpool's FBO, Liverpool Aviation Services's customers (who may not be familiar with the aeroplane fixation of spotters) could be worried by loads of idle, expensive camera toting paparatzi blokes waiting to intercept arriving VIPs en route to their expensive jets.
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Post by markmai on Jun 11, 2009 19:40:12 GMT 1
If it is within the airfleld boundary, why is there not security? Your reasons don't make sence. Maybe I'm stupid, but surely the more spotters the more security. It must make sense.
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Post by orange on Jun 11, 2009 20:13:50 GMT 1
Read between the lines, you have to understand celebrity.
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Post by markmai on Jun 11, 2009 21:27:48 GMT 1
I am really not stupid. If the prob is so called celeb's then shut the road / link off. Don't treat the majority of spotters as dicks/ leppers. I can't stand people who don't go to the airport or report on the site and slag off things.
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Post by viscount on Jun 11, 2009 23:35:30 GMT 1
Markmai,
No one has called you stupid, least of all me, however somehow you somewhere have missed my point, or maybe I've missed yours!
The GA car park may be OUTSIDE the secure area, but is INSIDE airport fencing, so aiport security do HAVE juristriction. The majority of time we ARE tollerated - probably because of the very point you make that by us being there the area is safer! However, there is also the airport security who feel security is their job, so do at times move us on, which brings up right around in a circle to the opening post of this thread.
Re-reading some of the initial postings I do wonder if "a request from the contol tower" is a confusion with "a request from control" - which is how airfield security refer to their CCTV camera and radio room. The GA car park is certainly covered by at least one CCTV camera. If the Control Room request a job, then the operatives on patrol have to follow that with action - so moving people and cars on from the GA car park may not be something that the patrol security wish to do, but have to carry out if requested from above! After all, the majority of time the patrols simply drive past and leave us be. I think G-PHIL is possibly unfair in blaming the patrol staff for the occasional moving us on, the real culprits are likely those unseen superiors in the control room. There may also be a time gap between Control seeing something they don't like on CCTV and the security patrol turning up to take action.
The point I make about VIPs and Celebs is fairly simple, do we ever consider how our appearance as a group of idle, camera toting males, waiting for something to happen appear to others with legitimate business on the GA approach road (and in the process our motives completely miss interpreted) - ?
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Post by RICEY on Jun 11, 2009 23:45:20 GMT 1
as you say brian some stuff isnt the securitys responsibility but any were on the airport property is theres except the car parks who have their own security
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