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Post by ronturner on Apr 4, 2011 6:50:15 GMT 1
bartt,
It's not full, just only the full fare tickets available in the morning
In your post above, do you mean to say that a full fare ticket cannot be booked on a particular flight, but that a lower fare can? If so this seems a bit odd on the part of the aitline.
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Post by LPL on May 4, 2011 14:17:54 GMT 1
Eastern Airways are re-timetabling a good number of its routes and one of the routes to suffer frequency wise is the ones ex LPL to Aberdeen and Southampton.
Eastern are dropping down from two flights to each of the above per weekday to one flight per weekday from 31st May.
On a positive note the flights will be by the larger 50 seater Saab 2000.
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Post by midland500 on May 31, 2011 19:32:38 GMT 1
Always a bad move when an Airline drops the day- return facility.
lets see if they see sense and return to twice daily in the Autumn or if we are watching the slow death of these two routes.
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Post by northbynorthwest on Jun 1, 2011 5:01:55 GMT 1
Ugh, that is really bad news. I have no idea of how these routes have been performing out of LPL, but obviously Eastern see other routes as more lucrative. Problem is that these routes are primarily business orientated routes, and by cutting frequencies Eastern have effectively made these routes worthless to the business community. MAN has multiple frequencies to both SOU and ABZ, so any business travellers will simply migrate over to MAN. Unfortunately, I agree with Midland500, I can't see how these routes can survive much longer.
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Post by LPL on Jun 30, 2011 13:12:10 GMT 1
Always a bad move when an Airline drops the day- return facility. lets see if they see sense and return to twice daily in the Autumn or if we are watching the slow death of these two routes.Your prediction looks to have come true as the routes to Aberdeen and Southampton cant be booked after 15th July. As you say its not surprising when airlines mess about with day returns and having the remaining flights timetabled at odd hours. |
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Post by LPL on Jul 5, 2011 10:34:00 GMT 1
For the three month period of March to May, Easterns pax numbers fell by 25%.
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Jul 14, 2011 22:17:04 GMT 1
Have I missed something? The only reference to Eastern pulling out of Liverpool is LPL's posting No 94. I can't find any reference to this action on the Eastern website. Seems that they just pull routes and don't tell anyone. LPL is correct; messing about with day returns and timetabling sounds seems to sound the death knell for a route. Additionally, I wonder how much APD contributed to this withdrawal of service.
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Post by LPL on Jul 14, 2011 23:04:34 GMT 1
Have I missed something? The only reference to Eastern pulling out of Liverpool is LPL's posting No 94. I can't find any reference to this action on the Eastern website. Seems that they just pull routes and don't tell anyone. LPL is correct; messing about with day returns and timetabling sounds seems to sound the death knell for a route. Additionally, I wonder how much APD contributed to this withdrawal of service. You cannot book either route after this week. Eastern bought Air Southwest late last year and announced today that that airline is to close down as of the end of September after a review of its routes (together with some of its own). Some of ASW routes are to taken over by Eastern. If you look on todays movements a caption notes that the Saab pictured is one of the airlines last scheduled movements through LPL. APD will not have effected the route that much as it had been broadcast as a business route with business fares. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 13:43:58 GMT 1
Liverpool always seems to struggle keeping business routes. Have used Eastern a number of times to Southampton...big shame its going .
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Post by neb on Jul 17, 2011 16:00:20 GMT 1
I went on the Eastern Airways site a few days ago to try and book a round trip Liverpool-Southampton in September, no availability. I checked with Customer Services what was up, got this reply  Good morning
Thank you for your email,
Unfortunately as of the 18th July 2011 Eastern Airways are no longer operating the Southampton to Liverpool and the Aberdeen to Liverpool routes.
You may call Southampton direct to see if any other carrier has taken over the route on 0844 4817777.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Kind regards
BeckyI was really gutted, as I've used the Liverpool - So'ton link a few times, and it was damn good service, and a very useful route. I just hope someone picks up the route. FlyBe have a base at Southampton, but they already fly So'ton - Manchester and might see a Liverpool route as competition. Perhaps they don't realise how bad the transport links between Liverpool and Manchester airport are, and that many people who fly are not necessarily car owners/drivers. (students, people who live in the city and exclusively use mass transit, etc. - especially in Liverpool) |
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Post by LPL on Jul 17, 2011 18:56:17 GMT 1
Perhaps they don't realise how bad the transport links between Liverpool and Manchester airport are, and that many people who fly are not necessarily car owners/drivers. (students, people who live in the city and exclusively use mass transit, etc. - especially in Liverpool) Take a look around this forum and you will see that the transport links from Liverpool to Manchester are excellent, you must then realise though the transport links from Manchester to Liverpool is the problem.  |
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Post by mickey on Jul 17, 2011 22:12:13 GMT 1
Perhaps they don't realise how bad the transport links between Liverpool and Manchester airport are, and that many people who fly are not necessarily car owners/drivers. (students, people who live in the city and exclusively use mass transit, etc. - especially in Liverpool) I don't think a lot of non-business people used the Eastern routes. Students particularly travel mostly by train (particularly as they tend to get the cheap Advance tickets), and a lot of employers prefer now to let people go by train if it's cheaper as they can save money and still get work done. Particularly the Southampton route anyway. I reckon ABZ was more likely to succeed, but the company obviously decided it wasn't viable without the SOU sector to support it. It's a shame it's gone, but I can't say I'm surprised. |
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Post by neb on Jul 18, 2011 11:08:41 GMT 1
Perhaps they don't realise how bad the transport links between Liverpool and Manchester airport are, and that many people who fly are not necessarily car owners/drivers. (students, people who live in the city and exclusively use mass transit, etc. - especially in Liverpool) I don't think a lot of non-business people used the Eastern routes. Students particularly travel mostly by train (particularly as they tend to get the cheap Advance tickets), and a lot of employers prefer now to let people go by train if it's cheaper as they can save money and still get work done. Particularly the Southampton route anyway. I reckon ABZ was more likely to succeed, but the company obviously decided it wasn't viable without the SOU sector to support it. It's a shame it's gone, but I can't say I'm surprised. As a student, I used the LPL-SOU leg a lot for visiting my family down south during the hols, or just for a weekend (viable by plane, bit pointless by train). Whilst I don't think such travel formedthe majority of the business, quite a few students in my department do fly, though mostly from Manchester. For me, the advance train tickets were a bit cheaper, but spending four hours with screeching kids is not conductive to work. Settle back on the plane for 50 min with a book or notes to revise - or just get a nice view of the country - that was a good way to travel Next academic year is going to be more of a drag with this, so I'm crossing my fingers someone picks up the route, though like others have said I am not that optimistic. |
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Post by mickey on Jul 18, 2011 12:34:11 GMT 1
quite a few students in my department do fly, though mostly from Manchester. For me, the advance train tickets were a bit cheaper, but spending four hours with screeching kids is not conductive to work. Settle back on the plane for 50 min with a book or notes to revise - or just get a nice view of the country - that was a good way to travel This is the important bit: Eastern just didn't open themselves out to the wider community from Liverpool, and didn't even try to compete with flybe's publicity. I don't know if everyone's the same, but at our place the ruling was that we can only fly to SOU if it's cheaper than train (and hotel if necessary), which at less than a week's notice was very rare with Eastern's fares. We book quiet coach automatically so it's quite easy to get stuff done on the journey. ABZ was a different matter, given the wildly different plane/train journey times, but we had relatively few people going up there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2011 9:51:43 GMT 1
I took LPL-SOU a number of times, one of the handicaps to the route was no Sunday afternoon/evening flight. I used it mainly to visit friends, so this was a problem for getting home. Flybe have had a more frequent service (and sometimes cheapers too) people compare this.
It is a shame because its not an easy drive or train journey down to Soton. It is a shame to loose the Aberdeen link also, both these cities are commonly requested as links from Liverpool when they were NOT available. I dont see any other operator will pick up this route, there just isnt anyone suitable, only Flybe and thats unlikely.
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