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Post by midland500 on Jun 20, 2011 14:38:57 GMT 1
I find one of the figures quite interesting. LPL MAD was -5% in 'what route is getting the balance right between pax loads and frequency', and is now 125 pax per flight on avarage this year compared to 131 last year. Is this the beginning of the effect now MAN has a MAD route? Will it get worse once easyjet jumps aboard at MAN? Will be interesting to see what effect SXF-MAN has later this year, considering easyjet were adamant that 'MAN wont affect LPL'. Hopefully not the same effect as LPL gaining MAD and SXF had on the MAN-MAD and TXL routes ;D I think despite what Airlines say they are basically the same market and as a result there will be a an 'effect' to the LPL routes. But two points there is more seats avail from LPL to MAD this summer which will be one of the reasons that there is only 125 per flight instead of 131. In May 10 8102 pax travelled on the route in May 11 9995 travelled. Also how will Ryanair and Easyjet compete on the MAN-MAD route will they both survive ? |
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Post by delta154 on Jun 20, 2011 14:53:10 GMT 1
Hopefully not the same effect as LPL gaining MAD and SXF had on the MAN-MAD and TXL routes
In all fairness, it wasnt all LPL's effect. It didnt help that multiple airlines jumped on the routes and basically trashed yields.
Id guess easyjet and Ryanair will live happily side by side, as Id imagine there is room for a 14 weekly MAD, and we are only up to 9 weekly so far. It doesnt help that they are both on the same days with just 2-3 hours seperating them, but, hopefully one will see sense and move to an AM slot (Im guessing if any, it will be Easyjet as seen as they are based whilst Ryanair are paying for the cheap slots in the afternoon).
The main problem will be if the rumoured Iberia/Air Nostrum CRJ900 starts in septmeber, and the widely rumoured AEU/ZB tie up for a MAN-MAD route. If those happen, one or 2 will deffinatly fall.
And just before I get flamed once more like a few days ago, I wasnt bashing LPL, just genuinly trying to see if there was a trend.
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Post by midland500 on Jun 20, 2011 15:11:20 GMT 1
In all fairness, it wasnt all LPL's effect. It didnt help that multiple airlines jumped on the routes and basically trashed yields. But isnt that's what about to happen now? You say MAN can sustain two Madrid's a day as well as the LPL flights, The airlines may find the punters but not the yields and I think MAD was tried by bmibaby at MAN and despite decent loads couldnt make it pay. I think MAD is an expensive airport to fly in/out off and would expect next year one service a day from both Airports. |
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Post by delta154 on Jun 20, 2011 17:43:42 GMT 1
Well, when bmi baby tried it, it was a half hearted middle of the day on a low frequency attempt. Add to that the already had 2 daily BA and daily IB. On and off we have also had Jet2 and Monarch try them.
The problem with Jet2/monarch/bmibaby was basically a ZERO following at the MAD end, but, Easyjet and Ryanair have a base at MAD, so are a bit better suited.
Like I said, the main problem will be if/when Iberia and Air Europa come to MAN. It will be beneficial to have one on board, as they could go after the latAM transfers, whilst a loco can go after the leisure/point to point traffic.
However, there will probably only be room for one each at MAN, along with Easyjet at LPL.
Anyway, I think 14 weekly can work at both airports, but 7 weekly from MAN would need to be the transfer carrier, as 14 weekly Loco and 7 weekly transfer at MAN would be too much. (we cant have it both ways)
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Post by northbynorthwest on Jun 23, 2011 16:23:35 GMT 1
LPL, I hope you realize that you have created a monster with all this data - you are now going to have to produce this data every month now!!!! Great job - about time someone was able to dig into the data about routes out of LPL. Would be interesting to the the same data for the domestic UK flights too - ABZ/SOU/JSY/IOM/Northern Ireland.
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Post by LPL on Jun 23, 2011 16:28:00 GMT 1
The hardest part is getting an Excel template to work for all the CAA data, see thread 'Stats - January 2011'.
Re Soton and Aberdeen. The stats for that will be strange as the airline will have to accomodate for the onward flight.
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