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Post by charlie on Apr 17, 2012 18:27:26 GMT 1
This story was also the lead news item on N W news on friday night,why are we continually bombarded with old hat news?We all know the reasons of APD,but it still galls me to think that RYR and EZY will still operate new routes from MAN and not cut any routes from there or doesnt APD affect MAN?
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Post by steh on Apr 17, 2012 21:42:37 GMT 1
Shows how desperate the Echo must be for news though when this gets a headline several weeks after the route cuts were first discussed on here. Unless, it is a calculatedly timed headline story engineered to further damage the airports reputation a few days after the laser pen headline. Too often, as has been pointed out in other posts and threads, the Echo is highlighting on the negative stuff about the airport when you'd expect it to be fighting for the city.
Rather than run a story about the cuts, why not run one on the expansion at Manchester which flies in the face of O'Leary's APD rant and try to get some answers from Manchester airport as to whether Ryanair pay more or less than other airlines and as at Liverpool and why they are pursuing an agenda of aggressively targeting any airlines using Liverpool.
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 18, 2012 8:26:42 GMT 1
Errrm, that'll be just three then; two are now already established and growing at MAN whilst the other seems to court MAG on a 6 monthly basis, though I think it's all coat and no knickers personally and an attempt to keep LJLA on their toes  Before anyone chimes in, MAG had no involvement in the KLM closure whatsoever. It was simple route consolidation. LPL didn't pay, end of. All you read on here is the wailing and gnashing of teeth that everyone and his dog is out to get LJLA; - the nasty BBC
- the rotten Government and its APD
- KLM who should never have bothered if they weren't prepared to give it a proper go
- Richard Branson and Virgin Trains
- MAG, that evil despotic organisation down the road
- EasyJet turning their back on LJLA
LJLA need to man up and stop blaming APD as the source of all their evils. They are sounding like MO'L's little stooge. When all major UK airports are reporting impressive growth and LHR recently hit 70 million for the first time, the argument that the nasty APD is harming the airport is an argument which is wearing very, very thin. Instead, they need to face the fact they have put too many eggs into the rather fickle basket of LoCos. Even people travelling for £1 now demand more than a Portacabin, no heating and surly staff, and the airlines those very passengers travel on are the most fickle customers of all; if they smell better money making opportunities, be it elsewhere in Europe or just down the M56, they'll be off without so much as a "See ya."  Brilliant, well said. I'm sorry but flying abroad, or indeed domestic has never been so easy and cheap. Look at the cost and time of driving, going on the train. Liverpool have for so many years relied on the 2 big hitters, and for whatever reason cannot seem to hold on to anybody else. We should be asking why. But to use the tax thing as the excuse is to me an air of desperation and an admittance that the excuses and answers have all dried up. Loyalty is nothing these days, it's all about the money. Unless we can show other airlines the merits of using LJLA, we will end up like our sister airport in Doncaster.. |
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Post by charlie on Apr 18, 2012 8:41:55 GMT 1
yes i agree with both those comments management at LPL need to be more aggresive in tackling the bigger questions as to why we keep losing trade,particularly to MAN,the question of the APD was brought up by o leary and not the echo,but yes we need to stop moping about and to challenge MAN,O leary and EZY boards as to WHY they have stopped expansion here,i disagree with the point about loyalty,but if the management at LPL do not act then we are going to be left with a ghost town of an airport
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Post by LPL on Apr 18, 2012 9:44:15 GMT 1
if the management at LPL do not act then we are going to be left with a ghost town of an airport Hasnt someone who was involved in keeping and bringing in airlines been got rid of? As you say it was not LPLs excuse for stopping the routes but it was Ryanairs. |
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 18, 2012 11:08:56 GMT 1
Maybe there is a secret pot of gold at a very long rainbow that we don't know...
The new owners havn't really pushed the fact that they are the new owners. I can't see them paying so much money for something they don't think is a valuable asset. On the other hand, Peel maybe bolted at the right time ?? Now I'm spinning !!! oh the joys..
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Post by LPL on Apr 18, 2012 11:19:50 GMT 1
Now I'm spinning !!! oh the joys.. Peel is (?) still a shareholder though. |
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 18, 2012 12:07:32 GMT 1
Taken from the vantage airport services website as they seem to be called now;
"Vantage Airport Group holds a majority equity investment in Peel Airports Limited, which owns and operates Liverpool John Lennon Airport"
So who is in charge then ?
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Post by panelman on Apr 18, 2012 16:11:04 GMT 1
Liverpool Echo reports Ryanair service Liverpool to Warsaw, I understand that Manchester gets the same new service.
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Post by coaxingtin on Apr 18, 2012 16:23:52 GMT 1
This will be to Modlin about 35km north of Warsaw. It looks like a typical former Warsaw Pact airfield (Luftwaffe before that) and has been revamped specially for low cost ops.
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Post by LPL on Apr 18, 2012 23:10:33 GMT 1
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Post by columbus on Apr 18, 2012 23:42:38 GMT 1
I think the relevant point in the article is that Liverpool has lost 7 Ryanair routes since last summer and Manchester has gained 21 routes! Including many like Rome, Milan, Gerona, Oslo Rygge, Paris Beauvais, Valencia, Madrid, Budapest, Bremen, Brussels Charleroi and Rzeszow which used to be operated from Liverpool.
And the new route to Warsaw Modlin is not so much a show of confidence in Liverpool but more a direct assault on Wizz Air, which already operates the route.
By summer 2013 I think we can expect Manchester to be a bigger a base for both Ryanair and Easyjet than Liverpool is!
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 19, 2012 8:30:30 GMT 1
By summer 2013 I think we can expect Manchester to be a bigger a base for both Ryanair and Easyjet than Liverpool is![/quote]
1 Question..Why ?..
I don't mean that in a funny way, I just want to know why they would want to go somewhere that didn't work for them in the past, and reduce a presence at an airport that suits their needs exactly?
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Post by columbus on Apr 19, 2012 10:33:05 GMT 1
I think Ryanair will prune back the routes at Liverpool further and probably end up just operating the Irish Sea routes plus the Spain, CanaryIsland, Faro, Pisa and Greek routes. We could possibly gain some more Greek and Cypriot routes though.
I can see the Polish routes, Riga, Kaunas, Bratislava, Oslo Torp, Carcassone, Limoges, Bergerac, Nimes and Oporto going to Manchester eventually.
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 19, 2012 10:42:33 GMT 1
Have Ryanair now developed an ego of epic proportions thats getting bigger and bigger. In my opinion Easyjet had the same attitude a while ago when a certain person was in charge, always hungry for publicity, regrdles of what it is, take out the public face or celebrity and now they seem to quietly get on with things. How many other businesses do we know doesn't give a hoot about bad publicity, and customer service. Ryanair play airports and passengers off with each other, not necessarily to get the best deal straight away, but to get a better deal in the future for themselves. When their latest whim has served it's purpose, then they are tossed aside. ( a strategy unfortunately for us, that has worked for them)
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