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Post by viscount on Jan 27, 2013 0:57:51 GMT 1
Not heard anything on the grapevine other than speculation as yet.
A reminder of the dates for the next round of the Europa Cup:
FC Zenit (St.Petersburg) v Liverpool FC. LFC away. Thursday 14th February, kick-off 17:00 UK time.
Liverpool FC v FC Zenit. LFC at home. Thursday 21st February, kick-off 20:05 UK time. One can presume at least a team-plane (indications are most likely a Boeing 737) arriving from St.Petersburg on the Wednesday, departing after the match - either Thursday night or during Friday morning. As for Zenit fans on the Thursday on day-return charter, we can but hope!
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Post by tcx on Feb 2, 2013 14:01:40 GMT 1
Hi All
This was posted on the Manchester page this morning by Geoff. Presume it will be fans arriving into MAN
Due 21st 08-15 FV7633 B767 Rossiya
Dep 22nd 20-30 FV7634
Geoff
I would like to thank to Geoff for letting me post this
Regards
Paul
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Post by vctr on Feb 2, 2013 16:56:43 GMT 1
Yes the Rossiya B767 is for the Liverpool match.
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Post by Airbus on Feb 2, 2013 17:58:01 GMT 1
Yes the Rossiya B767 is for the Liverpool match. VIPs and Fans Ken |
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Post by vanguard on Feb 3, 2013 19:10:03 GMT 1
It makes me wonder if the owners of LJLA want any business here when we see a flt. and an a/c that this airport can handle with out any problems, going to MAN., it may be only one a/c and flt. but its money in the bank for everybody,rant over.
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Post by vctr on Feb 3, 2013 22:31:06 GMT 1
Its not a LJLA issue. Rossiya refused to use LPL, and opted for MAN. Not sure what their issue is, however.
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Post by LPL on Feb 4, 2013 21:48:08 GMT 1
When the draw is done and the two clubs meet to discuss the matches LFC should provide all the necessary bumpf regarding air travel into Liverpool.
They should do it as a matter of course and the airport should provide them with ALL the info.
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Post by CloudWarrior on Feb 5, 2013 15:19:12 GMT 1
When the draw is done and the two clubs meet to discuss the matches LFC should provide all the necessary bumpf regarding air travel into Liverpool. They should do it as a matter of course and the airport should provide them with ALL the info. Maybe they did and that's why Rossiya preferred MAN. |
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Post by Biggles on Feb 5, 2013 23:50:32 GMT 1
Liverpool LFC have well (0verpaid) backroom staff who organise travel maybe they should insist that the people travel out of LPJL.
It really is idiotic that a local club which can attract so much interest, money and following can not force some cash back into the City airport.
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Post by andyh on Feb 6, 2013 8:54:38 GMT 1
And just how do you propose the Club does that Biggles? Interception over the Peak District by a couple of Typhoons? The Club like any other can't force it's own fans to fly from a given airport let alone another club's supporters. It's presumably a commercial decision all round so unless folks on the forum plan a whip round to pay the landing fees the flight is operating out of MAN.
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Feb 6, 2013 9:13:00 GMT 1
Yes, I agree with andyh - it is all down to commercial considerations. Profit rules everything and there is nothing we can do about it. Every airport is in competition and we know not what the individual airlines consider when they make their decisions. Much as it may irritate there is no use in belly-aching on about it; its a fact of life. Sorry, Biggles, but that's the way things are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 9:51:28 GMT 1
Its not a LJLA issue. Rossiya refused to use LPL, and opted for MAN. Not sure what their issue is, however. Can I, with my professional aviation hat on, throw it into the ring here? When an unscheduled operation is going to take place, a handling request is sent to the nominated handling agent at the destination airport. The ops manager will then decide whether they can handle it or not. That decision will be based on the availability of staff and equipment at the time the operator wants his aircraft handled. Knowing the flight is to be operated by a 767, several points come immediately to mind: 1) Is there an operational tow-bar?* 2) Do we have the ground equipment to handle the 'cans' (ULDs) in which the baggage will be loaded and do we have a licensed driver for the ULD handling kit? A separate licence is required for this kit, rather like an FLT licence in a warehouse, and not many people have them. 3) Can I arrange to have handling staff available, or is it a busy time for the scheduled operations? 4) Is the operator requesting catering and if so, to what level, and can the local caterers (if there are any) cope? * Before everyone tells me that it can be parked on a self -manoeuvring stand, be aware that it may have to be moved at some point without its' own power - this is a far more common occurrence than most people realise. Some aircraft do carry their own tow-bar, but it's not normally the case with a commercial airliner. In a nutshell, then, the answer lies with the handling agent. I don't know what kit the handling agent(s) at LPL carry, but I suspect that a working set of ULD trolleys and lift may not be among them. Equally it's hardly worth the expense of acquiring them, given that a simple tow-bar for an F-100 - which will not fit anything else - costs about £10,000. I know because we broke one at MAN last year! I've worked with Rossiya, they're a very professional outfit. Many of the senior people there were formerly with the VIP unit of Aeroflot and I'm sure that they would have preferred to come to LPL and equally I'm sure the management at LPL wanted the turnaround, but I think you'll find the reasons given above explain why it's operating through MAN. Disappointing for all concerned, but as I've said before, the world is run by bean-counters these days and any surplus expenditure which may not produce a good return on investment is immediately the subject of a major enquiry. |
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Post by tonyspeke on Feb 6, 2013 14:44:29 GMT 1
A similar scenario can be applied to accepting diversions.
Often aircraft divert in as they cannot hold long enough for a landing slot to be available and just want to refuel and take off again when a new slot is allocated.
It would have been nice for the Emirates B777-300 to have diverted into Liverpool rather than fly up to Glasgow as happened a few week ago.
However a diverted aircraft could develop a problem, or a departure slot might not become available before the crew run out of hours, forcing the aircraft then to have to unload. LJLA might then not have the necessary facilities/staff to do so.
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Post by LPL on Feb 6, 2013 17:42:02 GMT 1
Knowing the flight is to be operated by a 767, several points come immediately to mind: 1) Is there an operational tow-bar?* 2) Do we have the ground equipment to handle the 'cans' (ULDs) in which the baggage will be loaded and do we have a licensed driver for the ULD handling kit? A separate licence is required for this kit, rather like an FLT licence in a warehouse, and not many people have them. 3) Can I arrange to have handling staff available, or is it a busy time for the scheduled operations? 4) Is the operator requesting catering and if so, to what level, and can the local caterers (if there are any) cope? Didnt the airport handle the 767 that flew the Barbados return flight a few weeks ago? |
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Post by tcx on Feb 7, 2013 19:17:41 GMT 1
Yep LPL did handle a Thomson B763 twice for the cruise flight to BGI
Also i have herd today that the MAN flight is CANX and its operating into LPL now
Regards
Paul
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