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Post by dereks on Nov 4, 2013 9:42:52 GMT 1
Looking for help from the past.
Prompted by my son pointing out N711LS on planefinder ( Now a BD700 Global heading towards maidenhead last night) I remembered that this was the registration on the very first gulfstream that I saw at Speke, happy days on the balcony.
Just wondered if anyone might have a pic of it - as best as I can recall as my log books are sadly lost it would have been around 1970 possibly a few years either side - I do know it came up from Luton late afternoon as I recall being told off by my parents for being late home -but who would have given the opportunity to see their first Gulfstream at the local!
Anyway -if anyone out there has a pic of the aforementioned at Speke it would be great to revive the memory.
Just need to win the lottery to try the real deal!!
Many thanks
Dereks
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Post by viscount on Nov 4, 2013 10:52:55 GMT 1
Must have made quite an impression to recall the reg so clearly (and correctly) after the passage of 40 years.
N711LS was not the first Gulfstream II into Speke, although right through the '70s (and indeed beyond) visits by type were infrequent and always worthy of comment.
1969 2 N375PK, N902. N375PK Seagrams fv of type 2.9.69 f&t Dublin; N902 Owens-Illinois Inc 25.9.69 Gatwick-Edinburgh
1970 1 N827GA.
1971 4 N205M, N864GA, N7196A, N1823D.
1972 1 N827GA.
1973 3 N827GA, N372CM, N711LS.
1974 3 N327K, N720F, N375PK.
1975 1 N327K
1976 2 N1823D, N179T.
So it looks as though 1973 was the year. With that information, I have looked through the visiting aircraft log books compiled by Phil Butler and find that on Friday, 13th July 1973 N711LS owned by W.G.Grace and Co., operated from and to Luton. It is however the first visiting arrival of the day listed in the logs, followed by G-BABW King Air, G-BADJ Aztec, G-AVPV and G-AVRY Cherokees, G-AZBM King Air, G-AWJW Jet Ranger, 00953 UH-1D, G-AYUL Aztec and a never identified Army Beaver. So a very active evening, bet now you wish you had stayed longer! The M.A.S. Flypast magazine at that time did not run to photopages and I have no photograph of it in my files, does anyone else have a shot of N711LS in their collection?
Oddly, and nearly confusingly there is a N711TL, a Piper PA-60 Aerostar based at Liverpool at present, not such a dissimilar serial.
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Post by dereks on Nov 9, 2013 22:41:05 GMT 1
Viscount
Really appreciate your response and you are right it was a memorable event for me not having seen the sleek lines of a gulfie at the local before,
Interesting that it is shown as first arrival as I have very clear memories of it being late pm -in which case you are right it was busier thereafter.
Big thank you as always to you and all contributors who bring back happy memories of those halcyon days when the tannoy announced the impending arrival of what we all hoped would be an exotic visitor.
Final best moments 1-11's on 26 - the roar of the engines - And personally for me getting my PPL courtesy of CATS - But I am in danger of rambling -
Thank you again Viscount
Dereks
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Post by bulldog on Nov 11, 2013 23:49:32 GMT 1
Rambling is good!!!, do it all the time now according to the missus.
I think my first Gulf at Liverpool was Fords Gulf1, using long term memory was it registered G-ASIX?
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Post by viscount on Nov 12, 2013 0:57:59 GMT 1
Hi Bulldog,
You are thinking of G-ASXT and G-AWYF both Gulfstream I aircraft flown by Fords UK for a considerable number of years, later joined by G-BRAL. A very different aircraft with a pair of RR Dart turboprops compared to the Gulfstream II biz-jet with its T-tail and pair of RR Spey jets covered in earlier posts of this thread.
Certainly the Gulfstream I has not had many mentions on the forum, far less than it deserves considering the regularity of visits right through the '70s,'80s and up until the mid '90s. First Gulfstream Is to visit were N304K and N305K on 11.6.63 for the opening of the Ford Halewood plant - this was even before the first visit by an Avro 748, also powered by RR Darts. When G-ASXT first called at Speke 1965 it was operated by Shell, but was a regular 1967-1981 with Fords, while G-AWYF was seen 1977 through to 1994 and G-BRAL from 1980 to 1995.
The registration quoted in error, G-ASIX, was a very well known aircraft - being a VC-10 of BUA.
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Post by bulldog on Nov 12, 2013 22:58:05 GMT 1
Cheers Brian, only one letter out. Serious nostalgia with BUA VC10, don't remember seeing that from the balcony
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Post by viscount on Nov 13, 2013 0:36:01 GMT 1
Bulldog, you did have just one chance to see BUA's VC-10 G-ASIX at Speke, 10th December 1971, on weather diversion away from Gatwick arriving from Tripoli, positioning down to Gatwick the following day. Don't know too much about these photographs yet. Will add detailed captions should I find more.  Looks like N748C (tbc) a Gulfstream 1 in a night shot, presumed from the Gate 2 area of the old terminal. Added later on Edit: HOWEVER, having gone through the logs, find that I cannot find any entry for any N748C (or vaguely similar) ever visiting Liverpool - nearest registration was N720G but the photo clearly isn't that one. I'll leave this photo here to illustrate the Gulfstream 1, but it would appear not to be a Liverpool Speke photograph after all. From production listings, it would appear the subject likely is N749G in the early-mid 1960s.  N327K a Gulfstream II is known to have visited Liverpool in both 1974 and 1975. This is as close as I get to the request in the OP for an aircraft that visited in 1973.  Another early visit by a Gulfstream II into Liverpool was N130K which visited in 1979, 1980 and 1981. I'm fairly certain that this shot was September 1979. Keeping my eyes open for more, however I cannot recall having a shot of any of the Ford Gulfstream I aircraft in my collections - an amazing omission! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 19:57:39 GMT 1
Here's a photo I took of Ford Gulf 1 G-AWYF - apologies for the quality as its scanned from a print rather than via a negative. I also have a b/w pic of G-ASXT somewhere, but it eludes me for the moment. Dave  |
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Post by dave1955 on Dec 9, 2013 14:39:48 GMT 1
Thought I would include this one from Liverpool Airport showing Cambrian Airways BAC.111 G-AWBL on the apron along with a Gulfstream II in one of the outer bays. I'm pretty sure this aircraft is N205M which would date the photo to 1971 according to Viscount's list. Sorry the quality is not great, taken with my trusty Kodak Instamatic and scanned from a 126 film transparency.  , Thanks for looking, Dave H.  |
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Post by joan1991 on May 25, 2014 16:51:16 GMT 1
Must have made quite an impression to recall the reg so clearly (and correctly) after the passage of 40 years. N711LS was not the first Gulfstream II into Speke, although right through the '70s (and indeed beyond) visits by type were infrequent and always worthy of comment. 1969 2 N375PK, N902. N375PK Seagrams fv of type 2.9.69 f&t Dublin; N902 Owens-Illinois Inc 25.9.69 Gatwick-Edinburgh 1970 1 N827GA. 1971 4 N205M, N864GA, N7196A, N1823D. 1972 1 N827GA. 1973 3 N827GA, N372CM, N711LS. 1974 3 N327K, N720F, N375PK. 1975 1 N327K 1976 2 N1823D, N179T. So it looks as though 1973 was the year. With that information, I have looked through the visiting aircraft log books compiled by Phil Butler and find that on Friday, 13th July 1973 N711LS owned by W.G.Grace and Co., operated from and to Luton. It is however the first visiting arrival of the day listed in the logs, followed by G-BABW King Air, G-BADJ Aztec, G-AVPV and G-AVRY Cherokees, G-AZBM King Air, G-AWJW Jet Ranger, 00953 UH-1D, G-AYUL Aztec and a never identified Army Beaver. So a very active evening, bet now you wish you had stayed longer! The M.A.S. Flypast magazine at that time did not run to photopages and I have no photograph of it in my files, does anyone else have a shot of N711LS in their collection? Oddly, and nearly confusingly there is a N711 TL, a Piper PA-60 Aerostar based at Liverpool at present, not such a dissimilar serial. |
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Post by angelking on Sept 7, 2014 9:31:30 GMT 1
Good morning everyone! New to the forum. I run a website called G-159 Historical Research Museum. The site details the history of all 200 Grumman/Gulfstream G-159's. I was google searching some info and ran across the above image. I realize this thread is a couple of years old but thought I would clarify the aircraft. That is N748G, serial number 048. The pic was indeed taken in the early 60's, do not know where. Ironically, since G1's operated by Ford were mentioned in this thread, that aircraft went on to become N302K, then G-AWYF operated by Ford Motor Company shown in an image later in this thread. It was scrapped in 1997. Here is my page on that aircraft: g159hrm.com/the-fleet/construction-numbers/cn-048/Scott Morris g159hrm.com |
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Post by viscount on Sept 10, 2014 10:27:49 GMT 1
Scott 'Angelking', thank you for taking the trouble to awaken this 'sleeping' thread, and provide so much detail. Looking at the link you provide, the colour scheme certainly matches, and the subsequent history is interesting too with copies of the documentation, not just the facts listed. Now seems likely the photo was taken at East Midlands Airport, or Castle Donnington as it was in the early '60s.
Again many thanks for adding to the information on nwan forum.
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Post by angelking on Sept 11, 2014 23:09:51 GMT 1
You are welcome and it is a pleasure to be here.
Scott
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