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Post by ezylpl on Oct 28, 2016 20:35:43 GMT 1
Such a shame after just 1 year it will no longer operate. It must make other airlines nervous about operating into Liverpool,now we are about to lose Aer Lingus and Vueling, is Flybe going to leave us? I hope the airport is not going backwards , after 2012 ,13 and 14 the airport numbers were bleeding away, now they're finally back on the up, the loss of these 2 or 3 airlines could hurt the passengers numbers. The airport is excited about Heathrow gaining a 3rd runway but seeing as that won't be built till 2025 if ever They should be looking for another hub link airline I just don't see the likes of direct longhaul from our airport ever happening, never say never but I just don't see the like of emirates coming in here ever. Passenger numbers should continue to rise, next year there is increased flying from Thomson, quite a significant increase from Ryanair, increase from Wizz and the large increase from Blue Air that will more than make up what's lost.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 22:05:29 GMT 1
I dont understand Aer Lingus, this is the second time they have thrown in the towel, and on both occasions they seem to have no problem filling their aircraft.
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Post by frlpl91 on Oct 28, 2016 22:22:29 GMT 1
Such a shame though this is the second time the route has been dropped, back to square one, no hub link.
Unless we wait till 2025 for Flybe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 22:53:41 GMT 1
Its not been a good period for LPL, with EI, Flybe and Vueling withdrawals.
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Post by ronturner on Oct 29, 2016 7:23:34 GMT 1
This is one of the most disappointing items of recent news. I would have thought the idea of pre clearance for USA was enough to keep it going. I would have used that service at Dublin from here in France if there had been a decent connection both ways.
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Post by kevmul on Oct 29, 2016 8:08:17 GMT 1
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Post by monty on Oct 29, 2016 9:08:35 GMT 1
Awful news. I was hoping to use this next year after such a good experience a few months ago. Whilst I want to be positive (Blue Air and.....erm) the way we lose operators and routes after a short time is shocking, I'd love to know the reason why it happens. Does this happen as frequently at Newcastle, Bristol etc? I can understand a few unprofitable routes being cancelled but not whole operators. Fingers crossed for some positive announcements for 2017.
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Post by LPL on Oct 29, 2016 9:37:01 GMT 1
This is one of the most disappointing items of recent news. I would have thought the idea of pre clearance for USA was enough to keep it going. I would have used that service at Dublin from here in France if there had been a decent connection both ways. I suspect the normal traveller, i.e. on leisure, doesn't get it.
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Post by ezylpl on Oct 29, 2016 11:20:12 GMT 1
Awful news. I was hoping to use this next year after such a good experience a few months ago. Whilst I want to be positive (Blue Air and.....erm) the way we lose operators and routes after a short time is shocking, I'd love to know the reason why it happens. Does this happen as frequently at Newcastle, Bristol etc? I can understand a few unprofitable routes being cancelled but not whole operators. Fingers crossed for some positive announcements for 2017. Blue Air are opening a base here next year, I would call that positive
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Post by monty on Oct 29, 2016 11:54:07 GMT 1
Certainly ezylpl, and that's why I mentioned it. But it seems we gain 1 carrier at the expense of 5. It's a high loss rate. The new airlines surely can't be that unprepared for the competition. It's going to be difficult to get too excited if a new carrier signs up. They seem to be launched to great fanfare and excitement only to peter out a year later. Something is going wrong somewhere and I wish it wouldn't as the airport deserves to succeed. It shouldn't have to rely on the Big 2 who seem to have priorities elsewhere.
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Post by baldyman26 on Oct 29, 2016 13:19:20 GMT 1
Certainly ezylpl, and that's why I mentioned it. But it seems we gain 1 carrier at the expense of 5. It's a high loss rate. The new airlines surely can't be that unprepared for the competition. It's going to be difficult to get too excited if a new carrier signs up. They seem to be launched to great fanfare and excitement only to peter out a year later. Something is going wrong somewhere and I wish it wouldn't as the airport deserves to succeed. It shouldn't have to rely on the Big 2 who seem to have priorities elsewhere. I do think the airport have some more tricks up their sleeves, however as I said before, it's the reputation that is harder to repair..it does seem odd that we can't seem to hold onto the ad-hoc operations, but part of me thinks it's all to do with various incentives and discounts given to get them here, once the airport feels a route is established, them maybe these incentives are not extended, and why should they be. If this is the case then the airport should stand their ground and not be held to ransom. The routes lost won't necessarily cause a problem with passenger figures as they are pretty much covered by other airlines. It's possibly good business decisions made, if it wasn't, the airport would do everything to keep them.
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Post by ametyst on Oct 29, 2016 13:40:35 GMT 1
It is a pity the people of Liverpool are not as loyal to their local airport as they are tontheir football teams!
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Post by vctr on Oct 29, 2016 14:16:50 GMT 1
Passenger figures won't be the issue, but the passenger profile will be.
It's great LPL is growing with Ryanair, Wizz and Blue air, but, once again, LPL has lost its hub connections, this, the chance to interline from one flight to another has been lost.
Yes, people can 'self connect', but that tends to be the more savvy, confident traveller, and comes with its own inherent risks. The fact Liverpool Airport put so much effort into advertising it's hub connections via AMS (flybe) and DUB (EI) says they did indeed value the links, and being stubborn putting your foot down because you have forecast growth doesn't get you a link to trans Atlantic or European flights. If it is the case that LPL put its foot down too much, not all a case of good business, but also a smidgen of 'cut your nose to spite your face'.
Pure speculation, but, Stobart and Cityjet are merging. With EMA/DSA/LPL-DUB all being cut, and I've seen more and more MAN/BHX flights are loosing the Aer Lingus regional flights in favour of mainline, maybe it's a case that Aer Lingus are starting to offload its regional routes in anticipation the brand won't be around for much longer? Like I say, nothing to prove that but sounds plausible?
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Post by LPL on Oct 29, 2016 14:24:38 GMT 1
Well if EI have come to that conclusion then those pilots mentioned earlier will get their backsides bitten. Karma is good!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 15:30:40 GMT 1
Passenger figures won't be the issue, but the passenger profile will be. It's great LPL is growing with Ryanair, Wizz and Blue air, but, once again, LPL has lost its hub connections, this, the chance to interline from one flight to another has been lost. Yes, people can 'self connect', but that tends to be the more savvy, confident traveller, and comes with its own inherent risks. The fact Liverpool Airport put so much effort into advertising it's hub connections via AMS (flybe) and DUB (EI) says they did indeed value the links, and being stubborn putting your foot down because you have forecast growth doesn't get you a link to trans Atlantic or European flights. If it is the case that LPL put its foot down too much, not all a case of good business, but also a smidgen of 'cut your nose to spite your face'. Pure speculation, but, Stobart and Cityjet are merging. With EMA/DSA/LPL-DUB all being cut, and I've seen more and more MAN/BHX flights are loosing the Aer Lingus regional flights in favour of mainline, maybe it's a case that Aer Lingus are starting to offload its regional routes in anticipation the brand won't be around for much longer? Like I say, nothing to prove that but sounds plausible? So its not just Liverpool that is loosing their Aer Lingus link then ?? I read city jet are setting up a base at Southend.
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