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Post by vctr on Dec 14, 2013 18:45:28 GMT 1
There is another article out about flybe and the IOM. Seems a little strange they way it is written though. It talks about Liverpool and concerns about the patient transfer service, but then goes on to talk about a night stopping aircraft to run an early IOM-Manchester flight, without actually addressing what would happen to the patient transfer service? Article here: www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/flybe-in-talks-on-patients-transfers-1-6311532
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Post by supertramp on Dec 14, 2013 19:40:39 GMT 1
we might have got another 9 years from ezy and a new route with Larnaca,but had to lose 2 rotations of the paris route to accomadate it.sad state of affairs.
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Post by steh on Dec 15, 2013 0:11:09 GMT 1
There is another article out about flybe and the IOM. Seems a little strange they way it is written though. It talks about Liverpool and concerns about the patient transfer service, but then goes on to talk about a night stopping aircraft to run an early IOM-Manchester flight, without actually addressing what would happen to the patient transfer service? Article here: www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/flybe-in-talks-on-patients-transfers-1-6311532Reading between the lines it seems quite obvious that Flybe know they are stuck with the patient transfer service but don't want to operate it to Liverpool so are doing all they can to negotiate a switch to Manchester instead
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Post by vctr on Dec 15, 2013 0:27:41 GMT 1
I don't see how the logistics of that will work? Will flybe have to then pay for the ground transport to Liverpool on arrival to Manchester? I wonder if there is something in the contract that Liverpool must be served?
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Post by viscount on Dec 15, 2013 0:33:41 GMT 1
I seem to recall that in earlier post on this thread it was stated that the IoM Health Service contract is with Liverpool Hospitals.
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Post by LPL on Dec 15, 2013 1:43:47 GMT 1
It appears that there are two contracts from the IoM Government. One is for patients to be treated in Liverpool and the second is for flybe to fly those patients to Liverpool.
Flybe are looking to take the money but at the same time get out of the Liverpool element.
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Post by LPL on Dec 15, 2013 1:44:32 GMT 1
I don't see how the logistics of that will work? Will flybe have to then pay for the ground transport to Liverpool on arrival to Manchester? I wonder if there is something in the contract that Liverpool must be served? Obviously.
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Post by vctr on Dec 15, 2013 11:32:25 GMT 1
And this is what I was getting at.
I'm fully aware the contract is with Liverpool Hospitals, but doesn't necessarily mean they have to fly to Liverpool Airport (didn't it used to fly to Hawarden even though Liverpool hospitals were used).
Therefore my question was, if, and its a big if, Flybe are trying to serve the contract through Manchester Airport, would they themselves have to pay for ground transport between Manchester Airport and Liverpool, which would surely dent the subsidy money and make the contract unviable for them as a whole.
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Post by Beemer on Dec 15, 2013 11:57:50 GMT 1
Vctr, I think Hawarden was used for patients for Clatterbridge Hospital using the Let 410.
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Post by supertramp on Dec 16, 2013 2:15:50 GMT 1
It wasnt that long ago that Flybe promised LJL the earth and delivered nothing,so why debate over a shoddy airline that plain obviously doesnt want anything to do with LJL.Good riddance hopefully.
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Post by baldyman26 on Dec 16, 2013 10:10:31 GMT 1
It wasnt that long ago that Flybe promised LJL the earth and delivered nothing,so why debate over a shoddy airline that plain obviously doesnt want anything to do with LJL.Good riddance hopefully. But Flybe are still a business, subsidy or not. If the business is on it's knees then rightfully the have to do everything to save it. If leaving Liverpool is the best way forward for them then so be it. That article changes things though. It's obvious the health contract is the sticking point otherwise I think we all agree that they would've pulled Liverpool straight away. I would fine it hard to think there are no other operators looking at the IOM - LPL route with a view to taking it on.
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Post by andyh on Dec 16, 2013 10:41:09 GMT 1
Who would look at the route given EZY operate it too? It would be sad in one regard to lose FlyBe but assuming any contract for seats from the Health Authority stayed linked to Liverpool we wouldn't actually lose an passengers as a result of a FlyBe withdrawal. The option of flying IOM - MAN already exists so the people flying flying IOM -LPL are doing so out of choice and they would be able to continue to do so even if FlyBe leave?
Anyhow, given that the route remains on sale at the current frequency for S14, some of our discussions may be a bit premature!
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Post by L1011 on Dec 20, 2013 6:37:01 GMT 1
Hi All.
I note that Flybe have cancelled the early morning IOM-LPL-IOM flights today(fri 20/12/2013) at very short notice.
Is this the start of there LPL exit ?
Cheers.L1011.
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Post by baldyman26 on Dec 20, 2013 9:24:53 GMT 1
in the interests of balance, it maybe that as businesses have started to wind down for the festivities, there is not enough passengers booked on to warrant operating the flight.
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Post by LPL on Dec 20, 2013 11:32:08 GMT 1
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