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Post by dalten1 on Aug 31, 2020 9:11:09 GMT 1
Are we expected to believe everything on Twitter. We know how dangerous that can be. I don't do social media of any kind. Anyway, who, in their right mind, would start new routes the way things are right now. Time will tell.
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Post by ronturner on Aug 31, 2020 9:23:33 GMT 1
If the "tweet" is from the airport I would believe it. Otherwise perhaps not.I would not be so pessimistic. A new route could simply be a case of Ryanair or EasyJet finding somewhere to fly to which is new and not actually on the quarantine list. Like a "pop-up" for a few weeks. It was the case here where Easy ran a short season from Nice to La Rochelle, in August, at short notice. Who would have guessed that, but it seemed to work.
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Post by LPL on Aug 31, 2020 9:31:19 GMT 1
Why let the facts get in the way of a good moan.
New routes are being announced all the time, not at the same frequency as pre Covid granted.
What evidence is there for new Liverpool routes? Loganair to IOM and Wizz to Bacau and Vilnius to name but three.
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Post by andyh on Aug 31, 2020 10:07:48 GMT 1
The Tweet was from the airport’s Director of Aviation and Marketing so one would hope he would know...
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Post by silvercity on Sept 3, 2020 5:21:14 GMT 1
Whether we like it or not many organisations use social media including airports like Liverpool. New service detail on FR thread
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Post by silvercity on Sept 24, 2020 17:54:34 GMT 1
Whilst Liverpool has done pretty well with new routes this year, its curious that no one has taken up LPL-NQY or SOU for that matter, I say this because we see two airlines operating from MAN to both NQY and SOU. Missed opportunity I'd say, would be nice to see either or both for 2021.
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Post by silvercity on Oct 2, 2020 18:44:10 GMT 1
It's quite amazing to see MME linked to LHR once again, I'm sure they lost their Heathrow link around the same time time as LPL when BD cut a number of domestic trunk routes. I wish MME well.
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Oct 2, 2020 22:19:49 GMT 1
Who’s MME?
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Post by LPL on Oct 2, 2020 22:35:46 GMT 1
Teesside
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Post by viscount on Oct 2, 2020 22:36:25 GMT 1
MME is the extremely far from obvious IATA ticketing designator for Tees-side, or perhaps today more correctly DURHAM-TEES VALLEY AIRPORT. The ICAO airfield designator EGNV is far from intuitive also.
I have no idea what the origins of the 'MME' designator code is, although Tees-side was formerly RAF Middleton St. George that only accounts for one 'M'. Especially as just down the road, Newcastle has the totally intuitive designators NCL and EGNT and the former RAF Usworth at Sunderland (now closed) was EGNU, although I cannot find if they had an IATA passenger designator. While there are some exceptions, major British Civil Airports do have fairly obvious three letter designators: SEN, SOU, LTN, NWI, LPL, MAN, CWL, LBA, BHX, EMA, COV, LHR, LGW, STN, BOU, EXT, NQY, JER, GCI, ABZ, EDI, GLA, INV all prove that. However, I'd agree that Chester's CEG is one that is not quite so obvious.
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Post by dalten1 on Oct 2, 2020 22:55:41 GMT 1
The first M of MME could at least to its old name Middleton St. George. There aren't enough logical combinations for every airport in the world. EGNV is Europe,Great Britain, Northern region, V , a random allocation. That's my interpretation of these identities.
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Post by silvercity on Oct 2, 2020 23:00:09 GMT 1
The airport has revered back to Tees side so I believe. I think MME refers to Middlesbrough. I read a bit earlier that there is a possibility of improved timings on their LHR route in the future. I don't think the Eastern service has any interlining available as yet. Still its quite a coup for the airport and region.
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Post by ametyst on Oct 3, 2020 0:04:07 GMT 1
The EG codes for British Airports, E is Northern Europe (L For Southern Europe) and then country code G for Great Britain followed by a Geographical codes (A= Northern Ireland, P = Scotland, F = Wales, N = Nothern airports etc).
Major GB airports had the same last two letters (e.g Heathrow = EGLL, Gatwick = EGKK, Birmingham = EGBB and Manchester = EGCC).
Three airports were never given geographical codes as they were expected to close. These 3 airports were Bristol (EGGD), Liverpool (EGGP) and Luton (EGGW).
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Post by eye2eye5 on Oct 3, 2020 9:49:32 GMT 1
The Teesside to Heathrow service is bankrolled by the Mayor's development fund. This amounts to £5m and was allocated by central government to improve local connections, largely on the back of the electorate returning conservative members of parliament at the last election. Once those funds have gone, the new services have to stand on their own two feet. Recent anecdotes suggest that the Heathrow service is lightly loaded (6 passengers on one rotation) whilst the long standing KLM service has been suspended until January with suggestions that maybe two hub services from Teesside are untenable.
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Post by viscount on Oct 3, 2020 9:53:02 GMT 1
Sorry Ametyst, much as I very much respect your input, here I disagree totally. Firstly a little background. These 4 letter codes were given to airfields as a designator address on the AFTN, a telex/teleprinter system, that enabled short coded typed messages to be sent between airfield offices (much as the global telegram service worked for civilians). This enabled immediate transmission of weather information, NOTAMS, flight plan information etc. The 4-letter designators effectively being the 'address' for the message. I have no idea when the system started, suspect pre WWII - but unified in March 1958 by global international agreement initiated by ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation under the auspices of the United Nations) every country worldwide was given a World Region prefix, a National letter and two letters for each individual airfield office. This provided the UK over 600 different permutations. So the current address code list was essentially set down in early 1958, although there have obviously been a number of changes, additions and closures since. The EGG* 'loosely geographical region' batch of codes were awarded to airports (and off-airport sites) which were controlled by the MoA or had a regional office of the MoA (Ministry of Aviation, predecessor of the Department for Transport and today functions as the Civil Aviation Authority). In March 1958 this group included airfields EGGD Lulsgate, EGGP Liverpool, EGGR Squires Gate, EGGS Ronaldsway and EGGT Woolsington, (interestingly Luton was originally EGLN before becoming EGGW in the early '60s). Important here to recall that Liverpool/Speke was operated by the Ministry of Aviation until handed back to Liverpool City Council in January 1962 - so at the time of the compilation of the AFTN address list in 1958 was a MoA location. If Liverpool City had accepted Speke back into civilian control in November 1952 when they were initially offered it, then no doubt the airfield locator would be in the EGN*, or just possibly in the EGC* allocations. As EGGR became EGNH (EGNR unavailable being Hawarden), EGGS to EGNS, EGGT to EGNT, so by the same logic EGGP may well have been earmarked to be EGNP (today as a much more recent allocation, EGNP is Leeds Heliport). Why EGGD and EGGP did not change address code in the 60s, I do not know, nor indeed why EGGW was awarded. Looking in my ICAO world codes directory for 2011, in addition to three airfields EGGD, EGGP and EGGW (Luton, originally EGLN) there are still a fair number of CAA address codes in the MoA sequence: EGGA CAA HQ London, EGGC London DFT Aviation Directorate, EGGF UK Airprox Board, EGGG UK AFTN/CIDIN Centre, EGGN UK NOTAM Office, EGGO London Area, EGGR Gatwick CAA SRG, EGGX Shanwick OACC, EGGY UK Motne Centre. I will not pretend to know the interpretation of all the initials! So rather than the EGG* block being awarded to airfields destined to close, they were actually all MoA sites (airfield and offices) grouped together in the directory AFTN listing. Background reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO_airport_code en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronautical_Fixed_Telecommunication_Network
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