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Post by L1011 on Sept 25, 2012 9:34:35 GMT 1
Hi All.
FR4032/RYR2JG Faro EI-DYB B737/8 Ryanair sch 1200.
Thanks to Flightradar24
Alan Jones.
Liverpool,U.K.
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Post by tonyspeke on Sept 25, 2012 12:47:59 GMT 1
Falcon 2000 N510CT took off from BED 20 minutes ago (1225 UK time) for LJLA.
ETA at present is 1812.
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Post by clifftop on Sept 25, 2012 20:12:40 GMT 1
 Has a Hawk just done a LA/GA along 09? Fast jet heard from my armchair 2 minutes ago...? |
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Post by clifftop on Sept 25, 2012 20:30:49 GMT 1
Has a Hawk just done a LA/GA along 09? Fast jet heard from my armchair 2 minutes ago...? AND Another.... 20.30 hrs local... |
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Post by icebreaker on Sept 25, 2012 21:05:38 GMT 1
Clifftop your (audio) sighting is confirmed, just returned to our car at the Liver buildings & saw the Hawk - as low as you like - head up river towards Valley, maybe ! Timed at 20:36
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Post by ronturner on Sept 27, 2012 9:10:32 GMT 1
Why do so many Hawks visit LPL? (Landings and approaches.)
Are these primarily training related, and are the landings for the same reason or weather related?
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Post by viscount on Sept 27, 2012 10:58:50 GMT 1
Hawks have been calling for practise approach and go-around at Liverpool, Manchester, Blackpool, Ronaldsway, Hawarden and Shawbury since the late 70s - indeed since not long after they entered service at RAF Valley with No.4 FTS.
With the reduction in RAF forces, so the amount of training has reduced. Hawk go-arounds are nothing like as common-place as they used to be. The Hawk operations at Liverpool do 'surge', depending on how far along their course the pilots are, delays due to poor weather, numbers of pilots in training on each course etc. September and March often see 'peaks' in mid evening activity as night flying is possible without late night disruption of Rhosneigr.
The vast majority of approach and go-around visits are termed 'practice diversions'. This involves the pilots working in a very different ATC environment to that at home base.
Actual diversions are rare, but have happened recently. Sea fog is a problem at RAF Valley, although usually RAF Mona remains open long enough to recover aircraft in the air. A usual Hawk T.1 training mission from RAF Valley lasts around an hour to 1 hr 10 min. A Hawk can cover alot of ground in that time! Virtually all landings at LJLA are either weather related or occasionally to accommodate week-end operations by the solo demonstration pilot, when RAF Valley is shut.
To answer 'Clifftop's' question from a few days ago, all RAF fast-jet pilot trainees pass through RAF Valley after initial flying training on Tucanos. At Valley they convert onto fast jets and formation training. They then progress onto air to air interception work, low level flying and weapons delivery - both air-to-air and air-to-ground. From RAF Valley pilots mostly go to either the Tornado GR.4 or Typhoon FGR.4 OCUs - Operation Conversion Units for type conversions and operational skills. I'm not too certain at present at what stage of their training future transport pilots are diverted onto King Air 200s for multi-engined training before Hercules or C-17 flying.
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Post by ronturner on Sept 28, 2012 7:23:53 GMT 1
Thanks for the reply
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Has a Hawk just done a LA/GA along 09? Fast jet heard from my armchair 2 minutes ago...?
