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Post by Biggles on Jan 19, 2013 2:14:39 GMT 1
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Post by speedbird1960 on Jan 19, 2013 2:40:14 GMT 1
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Post by kevmul on Jan 19, 2013 9:42:00 GMT 1
I'm on this flight on 28th .........better go on a crash diet!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 15:38:58 GMT 1
Interesting. EZY classes a male and a piece of cabin baggage at 93 kilos (14.5 stone) for weight and balance purposes. Additional weight has to be added for ski equipment, so this probably brings the dry operating weight to something close to max. Add fuel (and the captain may well have wanted to take extra if the weather at GVA was uncertain), and you're soon above max take-off weight (MTOW). I imagine that's what's happened here. This being the case, I'd have thought EZY would have been more helpful in rebooking the pax.
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Post by Biggles on Jan 20, 2013 16:09:27 GMT 1
Kevmul. keep eating and collect the cash but negotiate.  Just a thought  I do not recall many decades ago flying with airlines like Dan Air or Cambrian ,Starways etc all the fuss about baggage size and weight, I have no doubt MTOW applied even in those days but is all this moaning, and additional costs a new ploy to make money or what ? Maybe I missed a whiop round to pay for someone to disembark from a DC3 or 4 or Viscount, I few on one occassion by BAC1-11 the RAF to Germany packed to the roof with pax and bags ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:05:59 GMT 1
There are a couple of EZY flights which regularly have a high proportion of males. LPL/MAN-AMS is a case in point. Of course, it's only a 1-hour flight, there's relatively little checked baggage and there are plenty of nearby alternatives, so the fuel load is relatively lower.
What happens with EZY is that when check-in is closed, the passenger figures and the baggage weights are passed to the handling agent and the dispatcher calculates the loadsheet and passes it to the flight deck, who have mini laptops on which they calculate the final figures. If the pax concerned had checked baggage, they would have to dig it out from the 100 or so items on board and thus would cause an additional delay. Many captains would take the decision to go anyway (there are ways of showing a higher taxi fuel usage for example) - I've seen it done quite recently - but this was not the case here.
It's precisely that sort of decision which was taken in days gone by in the cases Biggles refers to. As we all know, airlines are run by bean-counters these days, and the average punter would not believe the amount of scrutiny which is put on revenue.
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Post by thetexpat on Jan 21, 2013 2:41:31 GMT 1
Many moons ago I worked as a dispatcher for Transamerica Airlines(TV) in Oakland, CA. As with many non-skeds, TV operated the Hajj carrying 'munchkins' between their home states and Jidda. The operation ran in 3 parts; the flights to Jidda; 2 week break; flights back from Jidda to their home airports.
All flights operated with DC-8-63/73 aircraft.
While in Saudi Arabia, the pilgrims (who had minimal possessions/ baggage with them) would purchase TVs, Hi-Fis, washing machines, etc. from the hawkers in Jidda even though they didn't have electricity back home!
Standard procedure with the 3rd phase (return) flights was to fill the baggage holds FULL then every third or fourth flight operated with NO PASSENGERS and the cabin (and holds!) FULL of 'excess baggage' that couldn't be accommodated on earlier flights!
Didn't have any baggage problems then!
To use the Ozzy phrase "No worries Mate!"; 'twas all done with manual W&B!
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I do not recall many decades ago flying with airlines like Dan Air or Cambrian ,Starways etc all the fuss about baggage size and weight, I have no doubt MTOW applied even in those days but is all this moaning, and additional costs a new ploy to make money or what ?