RADAR and wind turbines.

[johnoakes]

The French being pragmatic like cheap electricity and so they just get on with it.We used to make the best nuclear power stations but Wedgewood Benn bought French in prefererence to ours and we lost the lead--our new nuclear power stations will be French as we no longer can offer an alternative---can't bame that on Blair---- the rot just started even sooner than that.
Glad to see our junior schools are now bursting at the seams and our birth rate is now up to the giddy heights of the 1950s----amazing---woder how many will become spotters perhaps we should offer to introduce youngsters to our pastime.
Wonder what the koran says about aircraft spotting--is it allowed in moslem countries these days?

[ac2348]

Although i don't live near to any turbines i don't think they are too much of an eyesore, i kinda like em' off shore, certainly able to judge the weather coming in . But i understand that's just my opinion. I guess that's the biggest problem governments face is that exact diversity in peoples perceptions and opinions on not only wind farms but everything else like hydro and even nuclear. I heard a phrase the other day that i thought was quite good. "People are no longer nimbys they're Bananas -build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone"

Fact of it is we all have to look to renewables or even fracking as the gov has to hit its targets. Wind power etc is needed and some places are more suited to the task (prevailing winds, height, speed etc) but as a few have said here we really should all share the burden, although some places down south are not suitable for wind, im sure they would be suitable for other types of renewables. Its a real shame its not spread evenly around the country and i guess it never will be. As long as they fat cats are happy hey.

[froda]

thanks for all your opinions...but back to my original question does anyone know if any upgrades are planned to liverpools RADAR to mitigate the effect of the 19 new wind turbines being built at Helsby and Frodsham?

[Biggles]

ac2348
Just what I commented on people who spprove of banks if turbines do not have to live looking at them.
Your remark of offshore turbined being able to assist with weather forcast doesn't really work, in high wind they usually are static and produce nothing, in light or no wind they produce little or nothing. At this very moment of the 25 turbines located at Burbo Bank NONE are functioning. Of the 50plus off N Wales coast I can see the magnificent total of ONE appears to be turning.!!!!!!!!!! At £1m a
go ! Cost effective Or pleasant to look at I think not.


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[nickjaxe]

Lots of very angry people around Ince Blundell and particularly the Ince Blundell airstrip,

19 I think it is of the very tallest of these horrendous wind turbines over 400ft,

Somebody is making a awful lot of money from these ugly monsters...lots of it at tax payers expense,

They pose a very real threat to Ince airfield,

Does anybody know if these things cause an probs with freeveiw TV reception with it being from land based transmitters.

Nick.

[Speke-EZY]

Don't get me started on wind turbines! These expensive and inefficient eyesores will take decades to recover the cost and material/energy investment required to build and install them. That is IF they are still working when the "break even" date finally comes along. Politicians and other people who wield power and influence simply make arbitrary choices without sufficient grasp of any given situation for such decisions to be well-informed. A good example of this blinkered thinking is the fad for recycling which uses energy instead of incinerating the waste material to generate much-needed power.

Fracking is economically AND environmentally a non-starter. The process uses vast quantities of water,a scarce resource itself,and gas,like all fossil fuels is a finite and exhaustible energy reserve. Gas is certainly not the future.

So what would I do? Well to begin with,all homes should be subsidised by the government to install solar panels and feed unused electricity back into the national grid. After all,we are offered incentives to SAVE energy by insulating walls and lofts...why not to generate power?

New and efficient nuclear power stations should be built now,not in ten or fifteen years after the cost has further escalated. With the closure of older stations going ahead we need answers today not tomorrow.

Though expensive to harness,tidal power is far more reliable than waiting for a breath of wind as the tides do not take a fortnight off. It is seldom windy in frosty weather when domestic and commercial premises require the most heating. Should we all go and stand by the nearest wind turbine in temperatures of minus six and blow on the silly thing?

[Biggles]

I saw an article in the press this week concerning embryonic plans for new electrical goods like washing machines, Fridge and Fridge Freezers and Dish Washers to be fitted with a gizmo whixh will allow Power Companies to switch them OFF during periods of high demand on the national grid supply, and without the consumer/owners knowledge.
This because they actually stated that Wind Turbines where not supplying a regular and constant supply ?

My question is WHY are we still being blighted on land and sea with VERY EXPENSIVE and maintenance heavy products which do not work as required.

Looking from my flat now I can see a total of 100+ complete or under construction turbines ?
Next problem is if this automatic control becomes viable, if on holiday and the powers that be turn off my Fridge Freezer and it defrosts and floods my flat and ruins my supplies, who pays ?

[wadoki]

Habu makes a good point,particularly about recycling.
My wife is really into it,and firmly believes she is doing the right thing.A cheap plastic yoghurt pot can`t go into the recycling tub without being washed first.Heating the water and buying the washie costs much more than it`s worth!Just throw it away..........................nope,can`t do it,not in our`ouse!

Nuclear is clean and SAFE.How many people have died in nuclear accidents?I wouldn`t want a string of nuclear power stations near the edge of a tectonic plate but our nearest is Iceland.The German decision to abandon nuclear power because of a problem in Japan is crazy.

[Biggles]

Wadoki, see if your recycling wife can answer this question for me or anyone from the green followers.
I run a pretty large company with 150 residential flats, I have as a result of threats about recycling the waste put in place a number of wheelie bins for this purpose, the company was issued with blue bins for paper etc and grey for bottles tins etc. So far so good
Much hard persusion was used to get the correct waste into the correct bins, time was spent removing the wrong items from bins and putting it into the correct ones.
Great until collection came and every coloured bin was emptied into one lorry crusher.?
When i challanged it I was told it didn't really matter as it was all sorted at the tip anyway? Who is conning who?







Great until I spotted the collection vehicle arrive and empty all the nicely sorted items into

[Speke-EZY]

I'm not sure if we all receive the same adverts on this forum,but the foregoing discussion seems to have attracted an invitation to invest in wind power. I'll open the beans!