froda
New Member
Posts: 3
|
Post by froda on Mar 14, 2013 20:28:44 GMT 1
does anyone know if there are any plans to upgrade the Radar at Liverpool to block out the effect of the 19 new wind being built on frodsham and helsby marsh?
|
|
|
|
Post by Biggles on Mar 14, 2013 20:42:13 GMT 1
Another vast waste of money they are not cost effective nor even producing the amount of power needed.
The ones blotting my landscape view in more than one direction (NOT THE POP GROUP) are usually inoperative for various reasons no wind, too much wind or just plain broken.
Now it looks like one of may favourite viewing places at Frodsham will be blighted as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by speedbird1960 on Mar 14, 2013 21:12:01 GMT 1
|
|
froda
New Member
Posts: 3
|
Post by froda on Mar 14, 2013 22:06:16 GMT 1
thanks for the info.what exactly is an infill radar?
|
|
|
|
Post by speedbird1960 on Mar 14, 2013 22:27:20 GMT 1
thanks for the info.what exactly is an infill radar? Go to page 5 on the document and it explains what it does. (Last link on my post.) |
|
|
|
Post by andyh on Mar 14, 2013 22:45:16 GMT 1
Really don't understand why people get so aerated about wind turbines. Would you rather have a coal fired or nuclear power station in your back garden? Or maybe you'd rather we just let the lights go out altogether?
|
|
|
|
Post by maverick on Mar 15, 2013 0:02:44 GMT 1
Really don't understand why people get so aerated about wind turbines. Would you rather have a coal fired or nuclear power station in your back garden? Or maybe you'd rather we just let the lights go out altogether? Cos they're a feckin eyesore. Not to mention inefficient. Give me a nice nukie power station anytime. |
|
|
|
Post by Biggles on Mar 15, 2013 1:00:06 GMT 1
andyh
People get upset because they see a total waste of massive amounts of money for little or no return. they are spreading like a cancer across the land and sea with no regard for the local peoples desires. At around £1m per erected turbine which does not work if it is windy either too much or not enough or they just break down. explain cost effectiveness to critics ?
I can see a mass of them within view of my home (in excess of 60 so far) most days ships travel back and forth to repair ones failing. It has been proven that they DO NOT produce the power stated which is probably someway to explain why a lot of countries in Europe have stopped supporting these very expensive eyesores, but have managed to sell the idea to guillable good old UK who are close to be unable to afford to protect the Island or its people let alone waste money on this rubbish.
I wonder if all the supporters of these things actually lived within veiw of a feild full of them or have to look at a sea cluttered with them.
|
|
|
|
Post by ac2348 on Mar 15, 2013 8:13:55 GMT 1
It is true that we would need the entire landmass of the UK full of wind turbines to make enough power for the UK but wind turbines are a good source of energy (when they work  ) and wind turbines are good if mixed with other renewable sources, especially when up to 60% of power in the depths of night are from renewables. My only gripe is why the hell the UK doesnt invest in wave and tidal power? We are an island after all and its not an eye sore, minimal disruption to wildlife... |
|
|
|
Post by andyh on Mar 15, 2013 8:56:24 GMT 1
Try reading the research rather than the hype. Possibly not inserted the link properly but below should / would lead to a report by the Institute of Public Policy Research which blows away (pun intended) many of the myths around wind power and its supposed failings. www.ippr.org/publication/55/9564/beyond-the-bluster-why-wind-power-is-an-effective-technology[URL/]As to being an eyesore Maverick that is purely subjective and depends to a great extent where you put them. Offshore, where they merge into the grey clag most of the time seems a pretty sensible place to me. |
|
|
|
Post by liverpoolman1 on Mar 15, 2013 9:15:19 GMT 1
As an island with a very high rainfall it has always puzzled me as to why we have not developed hydro power to it maximum. I seem to recall small hydro power plants dotted about the Pyrenees which seemed very effective.
|
|
|
|
Post by davel on Mar 15, 2013 9:30:31 GMT 1
Then you'll get people complaining about damming up their valleys for hydro stations, you can't win!!.
The puzzle is the government are taking out of use the coal fired stations to meet their commitment to ease global warming before alternatives are in place. As we produce only 2% of the worlds pollution it will not make much difference. The big polluters China, India and USA are not doing their share to reduce CO2 emmissions. Like every other EU country we should conform only if it does not effect us, just like the French!!
|
|
Bob F
Junior Member
Posts: 52
|
Post by Bob F on Mar 15, 2013 20:21:58 GMT 1
Davel, well said.
|
|
mb
Full Member
Posts: 201
|
Post by mb on Mar 15, 2013 21:05:39 GMT 1
My twopennorth if I may.I live on the dge of Snowdonia( like you know the emptiest,windiest bit of N Wales.The " developers" have cunningly managed to ring Snowdonia with turbines and inflicted them on surrounding ares.However,even the Snowdonia Society have now woken up to the fact that what are clearly an eyesore can be seen from many ares within the National Park.But my basic question is,if these things are so vital to our future as a nation( like for example the ubiquitous pillboxes during the War) why aren't they being built everywhere hilly ?Like,I bring you,the Chilterns,South Downs,alongside Parliament,throughout every constituency in the country.Er no.It's ok to foist them on Wales( oh dear they have a Labour Government) but the shire counties.Oh no.But we are being told they are vital.Something not quite right here.Wonder why France has more nuke than the rest of the World combined?
|
|
|
|
Post by Biggles on Mar 15, 2013 22:21:48 GMT 1
mb a point many people have pondered. Its a bit "NIMBY" by councils and Ministers. andyh "As to being an eyesore Maverick that is purely subjective and depends to a great extent where you put them. Offshore, where they merge into the grey clag most of the time seems a pretty sensible place to me " This is the view from my flat looking to N Wales, the turbines ares still being erected, if I look straight ahead I have the Burbo Wind Farm Eyesore of about 20 less than 5 mls off shore.. Grey Clad MOST of the time   or another view through the "clag"  |
|
) and wind turbines are good if mixed with other renewable sources, especially when up to 60% of power in the depths of night are from renewables. My only gripe is why the hell the UK doesnt invest in wave and tidal power? We are an island after all and its not an eye sore, minimal disruption to wildlife...
