Brexit or not

[ronturner]

I hesitated to write this because last time the subject was raised, there were comments made about political personalities which just got right off topic.

Now that months have passed and R day is near, I would be interested to know if you have thought about the advantages/disadvantages of being in or out as it might affect LIVERPOOL, AVIATION, and LIVERPOOL AIRPORT in particular.

I have personal reasons for voting the way I will vote, but that's not too important here. From an aviation point of view, I think my licence and ownership/maintenance of my aeroplane will not be affected. I think the UK will continue to be part of EASA and pay the fees, implement the rules but not be part of the decision making. The one negative aspect of this is that the CAA has been one of the more reasonable and common sense contributors around the table in recent years.

Interested to know what others might be thinking in terms of airlines, routes, GA, travel preferences and so on.

Please, this is about the subject areas in CAPITALS ... only.

[radiostationx]

Hi Ron,

Contemplating the future for LJLA having an easyjet & ryanair base.
Recently new business from Vueling, Blue Air etc
Difficult times ahead it would seem for smaller regional UK airports favoured by EU airline companies.
The prospect of cargo flights (tnt) would seem less likely now.

I think Andrew Marr summed things up this morning for viewers regardless of political allegiance and the way the electorate voted.
A personal article by him in the programme this morning says it all.
The clip is at about 5.10 mins in on iplayer

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07jgrs5/the-andrew-marr-show-26062016

[ronturner]

Its going to be a very interesting ride, isn't it? Nobody could have predicted the result with certainty, one way or the other, but the exact shape of the result and its range of consequences is a complete surprise to most people, Sticking to the point of this thread, if the feared recession does come about, there is a good chance that Liverpool airport might lose some of the growth recently returned after that last recession. Some of the East European routes might suffer. Of course if the pound stays low for a while, inbound tourism might improve, but then the cost of dollar goods,aeroplanes parts and fuel will have an impact. I am not brave or clever enough to call all this.

[maverick]

Jun 27, 2016 6:40:31 GMT 1 ronturner said:

Its going to be a very interesting ride, isn't it? Nobody could have predicted the result with certainty, one way or the other, but the exact shape of the result and its range of consequences is a complete surprise to most people, Sticking to the point of this thread, if the feared recession does come about, there is a good chance that Liverpool airport might lose some of the growth recently returned after that last recession. Some of the East European routes might suffer. Of course if the pound stays low for a while, inbound tourism might improve, but then the cost of dollar goods,aeroplanes parts and fuel will have an impact. I am not brave or clever enough to call all this.

Yes, indeed, I fear LPL will be a loser from Brexit (I was neither particularly in or out, before someone accuses me of bias) but as LPL essentially operates to Europe it must fair worse than say Manchester which trades on a global platform.

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Ron,

As a matter of interest, what has been the reaction amongst your friends over there? All we are hearing here (ad nauseum) is the political faalout, so I'm interested to know what the man in the street thinks.

[ronturner]

Hi Barry,

Reaction amongst my French friends is generally one of utter bewilderment. We were at the aero club on Saturday and our President was so tearful, he could not speak to us. He just hugged us and walked away. We have been overwhelmed with concern for us. Well meant and heart warming but I think we will be OK. Two people said "You British are really brave!"
There is a hope that Brexit will cause change in the EU which will benefit the remaining 27. On the other hand Presidential elections come in 2017 and Marine Le Penn has more or less promised Frexit vote if she is elected. Everybody has complained about something or other with the EU, but the unintended fiscal and political consequences in UK have made people think twice.

Amongst our British Friends there is universal Anger. Those who have been out of UK for 15 years did not even get a vote, even though many still pay taxes in UK. I know of one person out of a social group of about 60 who voted to leave.

Ron

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Thanks Ron

Interesting reaction from everyone.

[ronturner]

A few more comments from France:-

From Janette's hairdresser:- You English have always been different, you always do your own thing and it works out in the end. It will be Ok. If only we had the chance to vote...

From a French neighbour and Friend:- The English have done the right thing, but it is going to cost you a lot of money, The middle classes have the most to lose, but you will have your freedom. I hope the English and their grand children think it is worth it.

From a French person in the Supermarket:- You still here? Thought you were packing up and leaving! ( I think it was heartfelt from the way it was delivered.)

From French people in a bar on Jazz night:- The proprietor announced, he hoped we would stay and everybody applauded. (Very moving.)

From English Friends who were thinking of going back to England:- We have taken our house off the market and we are staying in France. I do not want to live in a Xenophobic introverted society, such as the UK has obviously become.

From an English guy who is a member of our Franco Britannique group:- "We won the war but who is running Europe now? Time to get out! (This was uttered two days before the 100th anniversary of the start of the battle of the Somme by someone not more than 35 years old. (Of all the arguments in favour of leaving, I find this hard to comprehend.)

From an English couple whose house I look after in the winter:- Its not going to make any difference. We did not vote

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Fascinating stuff. Our media tell us very little about what the rest of Europe (apart from those who run the EU), thinks about Brexit, hence my original question.

Thanks Ron.

[radiostationx]

Thanks Ron for the update,interesting.

Instead of the pile of junk that arrived in the post from both leave and remain campaigns and the shameful guide to the process from the electorial commission they should have given more accurate information to "joe public" before asking him to put his x in the box.

The facts, I found this,

It took a little research before voting but at least I was armed with all I needed to know including the process for leaving which has now started in a fashion.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7214/CBP-7214.pdf

Heres one page that explains everything, it costs us £89 per person per year to stay and thats where part of the phantom £350 million per week comes from presumably..reading this its no wonder the Netherlands are unhappy.

By the way, If you think the UK is bad for unemployment..try Greece or even Spain !

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The decision has been made.
I marvel that of the millions of pounds that politicians and their staff are paid from the public purse ..not one man jack had a contingency plan.
Now they fumble around seemingly entirely lost.
They are more concerned with their egos than anything else.

[radiostationx]

If you are up for a giggle regarding recent political events play this radio clip on bbc iplayer..very funny.

BBC Dead Ringers Radio 4