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Post by robaero on Mar 29, 2017 19:37:27 GMT 1
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Post by jake3 on Mar 29, 2017 20:13:34 GMT 1
It appeared to be picking up there over the last few months with more diverse types showing up. Sad loss if it happens.
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Post by robaero on Mar 29, 2017 21:25:03 GMT 1
Yes agreed but I think the writing was on the wall when the Hawker line was scrapped when Hawker Beechcraft went bust. Netjets have been getting rid of their Hawkers at quite a pace recently .
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Post by jake3 on Mar 29, 2017 22:01:09 GMT 1
Problem with the 125 was it was an old air frame despite all the upgrades and was being left behind by more modern types.
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Post by jetdragon on Mar 29, 2017 22:21:38 GMT 1
I think the main problem with the 125 is that it is now out of production with the associated increasing support and obsolescence issues as time passes. It is widely regarded in the industry as virtually indestructible, the main issue regularly raised being baggage capacity. Had HB still been around and continuing to upgrade the basic design I believe it would have still sold enough units to justify its existence (but perhaps I'm just biased). Very sad news for Marshall's (and Hawarden) though. Given that they have been servicing Hawker examples of the Hawker 4000 and Super Kingair family in recent times I was hopeful they would survive. Netjets still seem regular visitors to the facility with their Citation XLS's and remaining Hawkers, and Marshall's HondaJet demonstrator lives there. Could spell the end of the airfield's 55 year association with the 125 family  Hopefully another organisation can be found to take over the facility and preserve at least some of the local jobs. JD |
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Post by G-PHIL on Mar 30, 2017 15:50:59 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 17:43:26 GMT 1
I think the main problem with the 125 is that it is now out of production with the associated increasing support and obsolescence issues as time passes. It is widely regarded in the industry as virtually indestructible, the main issue regularly raised being baggage capacity. Had HB still been around and continuing to upgrade the basic design I believe it would have still sold enough units to justify its existence (but perhaps I'm just biased). Very sad news for Marshall's (and Hawarden) though. Given that they have been servicing Hawker examples of the Hawker 4000 and Super Kingair family in recent times I was hopeful they would survive. Netjets still seem regular visitors to the facility with their Citation XLS's and remaining Hawkers, and Marshall's HondaJet demonstrator lives there. Could spell the end of the airfield's 55 year association with the 125 family Hopefully another organisation can be found to take over the facility and preserve at least some of the local jobs. JD I completely agree with your comments, JD. I too am probably biased, but the 125 is far from done yet. By their nature, business jets do not do as many hours as conventional passenger aircraft and thus have a potentially longer life. The expertise to deal with this lies only in Chester. The fact that BAe saw fit to sell the division to Raytheon, who later decided (knowing that they are the world's biggest maker of missiles), to then get rid of it to Hawker Beechcraft because it was not part of their core business(!), was nothing short of a scandal in itself. Hawker Beechcraft then lost interest in the 125 and not surprisingly seemed to see it as a competitor to their own range, with the result that, apart from a tentative bid by the Chinese, there was no further interest in continuing to produce the 125. Meanwhile, Dassault continue to produce the 2000 and Pilatus are producing the PC-24, a new design which looks an awful lot like the 125, so clearly there is still a demand for a 10-seater business jet, the most telling paragraph in the Wiki entry being as follows: In May 2014, Pilatus briefly took orders for the PC-24; the company has claimed to have sold 84 production places within the first 36 hours, each with a $250,000 deposit; these orders represented the first three years of planned production from 2017 to 2019. Pilatus stopped accepting orders at this point, and will accept new orders closer to 2020.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-24 |
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