2 Islamic Women Refuse Body Scan

[liverpoolman1]

Can I just say that, if the big girls blouses who are currently bashing each other on this forum with their handbags were to be given body scans, then we could all be in for quite a surprise. Is there a scanner at the airport which enables users of this forum to grow up?

[CloudWarrior]

And there was me thinking we were engaging in an open and frank exchange of topical issues affecting the very fabric of our society.
Liverpoolman1, it seems that you have entered into the spirit of name calling that you so seemingly detest. I think that calls for another big word which can be found in all good dictionaries.
Hypocrite.

[johnoakes]

;D
Well said cloudwarrior--disagree we may but at least we put forward the right to free speech.

Perhaps we have some unreformed Stalinists in our midst.Allegedly.LOL

[liverpoolman1]

This correspondence has strayed far from the original subject and has descended into a private argument between two forum members. My intention, mistaken obviously, was to point out that name calling on this forum is not what we want. My error was in descending to the level of the name callers in an attempt to make them see sense. I won't do THAT again in a hurry. Can I ask forum members to stick to the subject matter and not engage in personal slanging matches? I apologise that I, too, fell into this trap and will not do it again. Now, can we get back to the subject in hand and deplore the attempt to erode security standards in the so-called name of religion. Here's a question that has puzzled me for some time - how DO immigration officers deal with women who refuse to remove the veil? Can they be refused entry into the country or do they receive special treatment?

[davel]

I remember an Islamic woman (with Veil) getting to the check-in desk at LPL and the girl behind the desk saying to her "if you don't show me that the face behind the veil is the same as on this passport you are not flying" (or something similar in a broad scouse accent) hardly PC but it got the message over!

[superian]

liverpoolman1, recently I was in AMS and Islamic women ahead of us were taken to a lane at the end of the desks. This was "manned" (sorry, staffed) be a female immigration officer and the lane was enclosed so as to block the view from other passengers whilst details are checked. I have also asked people I work with who are from the Middle East region and this seems to be the norm over there as well.
Ian.

[viscount]

A year or so ago at Dublin I witnessed an English (well white, British Passport) teenager requested by Immigration/Passport Control to remove a hoddie, he was obstructive - a male Officer came across and loud enough for the queue to hear him told the lad that if he did not reveal his face to match the photo he could be sent straight home. His mates ripped the hoddie off rather quickly when their laugh risked turning sour! Shows that the 'match the face to the photo' is not just applied to Islamic people.

The above reminds me that on another occasion at Dublin(around the same time) I was in charge of a group of teenagers returning on the late night Ryanair. Just as we entered Search Comb area, one of the group asked me if she could pray to Allah. I asked Security, they could not have been more helpful - although I suspect the curtained area they provided was usually used for intimate searches!

[maverick]

In essence the headline should be 'Women Refuse Body Scan' - The person's religion should be academic.

(It's the same as the days when we had 'Black man arrested for xxxx', rather than 'man arrested for xxxx') The media have a lot to answer for.

[Biggles]

Maverick. In essence everyone will probably agree with you including me except, that this situation does not apply to all women or all religions or even medical conditions which is the exception these two claimed as a valid reason for not being scanned prior to flying. It isn`t and should never be a valid reason.
This whole idiotic situation has been brought about by the extreme minority of followers of this single religion. The Burkha is not and never has been a requirement of this religion neither is this religion a justifed excuse for this sort of provocation as most followers of Islam agree.
The comment about press printing ethnic describers of people is not correct I agree, it is the same as saying an unemployed plumber arrested for murder, it is irrelevant and bad for plumbers and unemployed generally.
Colour and job descriptions are irrelevant to the crime generally.