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Post by Biggles on Sept 21, 2011 22:34:04 GMT 1
About 1715 this evening I caught a glimpse of a large Mil helicopter heading across Wallasey in direction of River Dee, some distance away to get proper ID but could have come from HMS Albion direction as it was pretty low. Can`t a find mention of it visiting LPJL  |
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Post by spotter27 on Sept 23, 2011 10:19:30 GMT 1
It might have been the chinook which went south earlier in the day.
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Post by Biggles on Sept 23, 2011 20:17:35 GMT 1
No defo not a Chinook they have TWO rotors this was single like Merlin ?
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Post by viscount on Sept 23, 2011 22:06:23 GMT 1
Amazing that no clever clogs have pointed this out, but the chance of seeing a large Mil (note use of capital letter for a proper noun - a name) helicopter over Merseyside is highly unlikely as very few, if any, Mil.26 heavy-lift helicopters are still active in the west.
Why SHOUT at "spotter 27's" helpful suggestion, especially as he is quite correct, the Chinook is heavy-lift (' large' as requested in the initial post), while the Merlin, Puma or Sea King/Commando are generally considered medium-lift, so are not the largest military (small m) helicopters about.
If postees want useful answers to questions, then it is upto them to ask questions that set the right parameters for an answer.
Mr clever clog's rant is over!
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Post by maverick on Sept 23, 2011 22:42:08 GMT 1
Surely that should be Mr Clever Clog's  |
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Post by viscount on Sept 23, 2011 22:52:41 GMT 1
Or even Mr. 'Clever Clog's' ............
Mr. Stupid Shoes's final post for tonight.
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Post by Biggles on Sept 24, 2011 1:00:31 GMT 1
As usual the PC section stick their collective oars in to a message.
The use of the capital letters in TWO was a typo and not deliberate. I obviously needed to point out, which maybe should have been in the initial question, that I knew the difference between a Chinook and a Merlin. I appreciate any replies to questions I submit, what I don`t appreciate is the response like yours for no other reason it seems other than you haven`t got an answer to the original question but get another notch on the number of submissions useless though it is.
Alter Viscount to Clever Clogs if it helps with or without the apostrophe I will know who it is.
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Post by Biggles on Sept 30, 2011 23:43:11 GMT 1
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Post by viscount on Oct 1, 2011 0:56:36 GMT 1
As a close follower of British Military aviation, outermarkers information is somewhat of interest, why though has it not been recorded by any of the aviation monthlies, nor on any of the military forums that I monitor?
Yes, there was a pair at Boscombe Down of former Bulgarian machines 2008-2010 that then went to Afganistan. This was widely reported in avn mags and on forums at the time, I think we even had a photo posted on the xsorbit incarnation of this forum of one at one stage. These Mil.17s did not venture far though, and the operation seems to be summarised in some detail on Biggles' link. The linked item even explains how the former Bulgarian machines left the country in 2010 for the Afgan Air Force.
Outermarker, where was this former Russian Mil-17 going when it passed over the Wirral last week on a covert mission, and what markings does it carry registration wise? Having watched, listened to and flown in Mil-17s, the one word though I could never use to describe one in flight is 'covert'!
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Post by Biggles on Oct 1, 2011 21:29:50 GMT 1
I have to add a little to this as I started it and opened a can of worms.
My use of the letters MIL was in no way intending to suggest I saw a Russian Mil type helicopter. I do know the difference after more than 50 years of looking at all things aviation. I did wrongly assume that most members would have taken the letters MIL to mean Military, I will know next time.
The Helicopter I saw was not a Russian machine covert or otherwise it was I am 99.9999% sure it was a Merlin but was just too far off to be sure, it was not Lynx, Puma, Sea King. or even Mike 1.
If I have to add anymore detail I will have to shoot someone. LOL
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Post by alexmac on Oct 1, 2011 23:42:03 GMT 1
I'm intrigued by the "covert Mi-17" mission comments as both of the ex-Russian airframes which were based in the UK are now under Afghan Army control along with a further two airframes in a two-tone desert camo scheme....
Possibly SHF 720, Merlin of 78 Sqn which I think was on a nav ex on that day.
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Post by Biggles on Oct 2, 2011 21:25:37 GMT 1
Thanks Alex sanity returns.
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