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Post by LPL on Jul 21, 2019 10:24:50 GMT 1
EZY got there fingers burnt ~3 years ago by having tight schedules and have had inbuilt flexibility since.
To operate a return IOM takes 1hr 50mins, BFS 2hrs 10mins and JER 2hrs 50mins.
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Post by silvercity on Jul 21, 2019 12:10:04 GMT 1
To be honest, Faro is not a great winter destination. Why would you say that, ive found it a busy route all year round, plus Algarve weather is pretty good in the winter.
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Post by kuga59 on Jul 21, 2019 12:20:21 GMT 1
I agree silver city. Spent Xmas and new year there once. Went swimming in the Atlantic on New Year’s Day. Never rained, glorious sunshine. If only there was an airline with the resources to take on Easy & Ryan on some of these routes
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Post by robaero on Jul 21, 2019 13:10:35 GMT 1
When I flew back from Jersey, the cabin crew were keen to promote the new Easyjet route to Tenerife .
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Post by johnoakes on Jul 22, 2019 10:48:34 GMT 1
A small local based airline would make a killing at Liverpool serving the routes we have lost. How much does it cost to lease a couple of used A320s? Just asking.LOL
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Post by baldyman26 on Jul 22, 2019 19:03:09 GMT 1
If it was so easy and profitable for an airline to open and compete against ryr and ezy, they would have done it.. Even the big tour operators cant and are unwilling to keep what look like viable routes going. Having maintenance and other services on site at Manchester will rule out any of the major airlines opening a base here .. Personally I think Turkey, black sea resorts, canaries are all under served from Liverpool but there doesn't look like any operator will take on the big 2, leaving our airport completely reliant and in no position to stop them having an almost free reign to do whatever they please.
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Post by ronturner on Jul 23, 2019 5:59:41 GMT 1
Agreed. What is required is good steady progress from the likes of Wizzair and new ventures by airlines new to Liverpool, but already established in the destinations served; and the will and means to fight off predatory pricing by others.
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Post by silvercity on Jul 23, 2019 8:49:45 GMT 1
At least its not like the bad old days where you had pretty much no option from the NW but to fly from Manchester. There is more choice for passengers now. However I do agree a stronger 3rd force would be desirable to up capacity where its short from Liverpool and to reconnect some of those popular transferred routes.Thereby giving passengers back some choice again.
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Post by viscount on Jul 23, 2019 9:11:15 GMT 1
It could be argued that we already at Liverpool do have a strong (and loyal) 'third force', in the form of Wizzair. What we do need is a third strong north or west European airline, with a wide spread network right across Europe - not too many of those around. Norwegian and Vueling 'dipped their finger' into Liverpool's market, when what was required was a full commitment to multiple aircraft and routes, not just one route for a year.
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Post by kuga59 on Jul 23, 2019 10:00:19 GMT 1
Viscount Totally agree with you. Too easy to pick off one route on its own, but if someone opened up say 5 routes it would require a big commitment to try and close them down. I also believe that you would need to attack at least one or two of their routes to change the focus. Might also need smaller aircraft to give the newbie some flexibility in its fare structure. Blue Air tried but I believe they were not financially big enough to go the distance. After saying all this I can’t identify a current airline other than Wizz and Norwegian who have the resources to attempt such a project. It is all about Risk/Reward. Rate of return. If I invest a sum of money in this project, can I make a better return on another? Or should I do nothing?
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Post by baldyman26 on Jul 23, 2019 10:23:24 GMT 1
I don't even think it's risk and reward, an airline won't just rock up with a new route without a financial incentive, presumably reduced fees or subsidies.. Have we seen airlines disappear once these have stopped, or behind the scenes pressure from the other 2 not to extend the subsidies as they will want a bit of the pie too.. Norwegian by all accounts are not in a healthy position, and I think Wizz have been helped by the boom in Eastern Europeans relocating years ago, but I doubt we will see them compete on UK bread and butter routes as they probably don't need to..
The only thing in my eyes we can hope for is people turn their back on Manchester during the redevelopment, and the low costs start seeing a reduction in numbers, that way they presumably will see a return to the smaller airport models.
I think currently with the changes going on at Manchester, the growth there is almost like a jocky for positions, by having a larger presence, they essentially will get a bigger say in gates / slots when the redevelopment is complete.. That's the bit that worries me.
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Post by kuga59 on Jul 23, 2019 10:49:12 GMT 1
I don't even think it's risk and reward, an airline won't just rock up with a new route without a financial incentive, presumably reduced fees or subsidies.. Have we seen airlines disappear once these have stopped, or behind the scenes pressure from the other 2 not to extend the subsidies as they will want a bit of the pie too.. Norwegian by all accounts are not in a healthy position, and I think Wizz have been helped by the boom in Eastern Europeans relocating years ago, but I doubt we will see them compete on UK bread and butter routes as they probably don't need to.. The only thing in my eyes we can hope for is people turn their back on Manchester during the redevelopment, and the low costs start seeing a reduction in numbers, that way they presumably will see a return to the smaller airport models. I think currently with the changes going on at Manchester, the growth there is almost like a jocky for positions, by having a larger presence, they essentially will get a bigger say in gates / slots when the redevelopment is complete.. That's the bit that worries me. Agree with you. You have the same thoughts I posted about 3 weeks ago. There is a queue of airlines lining up to go into Manchester once the work has finished. It may be that there will not be enough room for the lowco’s and then maybe they’ll be some crumbs.
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Post by frlpl91 on Jul 23, 2019 16:26:44 GMT 1
passengers travelling through the airport, this morning moaning about the queues, the easyjet desks have 10 available number 24 to 33, only 6 open 1 speedy and all other at the other 5, saying this is worse than manchester’s i had to laugh at them.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Jul 23, 2019 17:39:32 GMT 1
Nevertheless frlpl91, that should be fed back to easyJet. If they have 10 desks available and only open 6 at peak summer, they could do better.
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Post by LPL on Aug 25, 2019 9:59:18 GMT 1
Second full week comparison in August 2019 and August 2018. col2=2019 col3=2018 Number of flights by based aircraft 180 184 Number of flights by non-based aircraft 1 1 Total of number of flights 181 185 Number of routes flown 28 29 Number of based aircraft 8 8 Number deps per based aircraft per week 22.50 23.00 Average sector time per based aircraft 2:03 2:04 Number of available seats 60648 63000
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