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Post by keegan1 on Dec 9, 2020 17:32:13 GMT 1
Is there any news of more freight flights given all the chaos at Felixstowe,Southampton and London Gateway ?
Apart from the general delays in getting cargo throughput, containers I'd heard were being charged at £1800 but with everything snarled up the cost is now £8000. That is making air charter more competitive.
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Post by eye2eye5 on Dec 9, 2020 17:36:39 GMT 1
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Post by keegan1 on Dec 10, 2020 13:22:16 GMT 1
Cheers good to see.
Must confess with my nautical hat on I was rather hoping we would see the real mega container ships into Liverpool. Bit off topic but any idea when we will see these at Liverpool?
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Post by eye2eye5 on Dec 10, 2020 14:26:36 GMT 1
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Post by silvercity on Dec 13, 2020 10:14:08 GMT 1
Is there any news of more freight flights given all the chaos at Felixstowe,Southampton and London Gateway ? Apart from the general delays in getting cargo throughput, containers I'd heard were being charged at £1800 but with everything snarled up the cost is now £8000. That is making air charter more competitive. Although Im not sure its related to the southern ports chaos, Liverpool has seen a few cargo flights recently a 767 , 757 AN12 and 2 737s
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Post by robaero on Dec 13, 2020 17:36:53 GMT 1
Those flights have come from North Africa and not Europe silverjet so those parts would could have been sent by Sea if they weren't urgent .
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Post by harbourcotter on Dec 13, 2020 18:31:29 GMT 1
You are correct about their origin, but the problem is the congestion at Ports due to the effects of Brexit, no matter where the freight originates. This was known years ago. Its worse at the south and south-east coast ports which has led to an increase in port traffic in Liverpool. The only way at the moment to bypass this problem is to air-freight, so time-critical freight such as the automotive industry and others literally have no option at the moment. How long this will last know one knows, particularly the Government.
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Post by ametyst on Dec 13, 2020 19:11:13 GMT 1
Not just Brexit, the perfect storm of Covid, Christmas and Brexit.
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Post by harbourcotter on Dec 13, 2020 19:56:17 GMT 1
No disrespect, nor is it a political statement, and we are straying off topic, but i'm afraid it is solely due to Brexit. Christmas and Covid are irrelevant to the congestion in the ports which as I have stated was indicated by the Business community 4 years ago, so it's not unexpected. Some major companies have planned for this, some haven't or can't. Yes, each year there can be problems at ports due to other factors which cause congestion, such as strikes, (in the U.K. or Europe), which lead to additional airfreight, but in this case the overwhelming problem is Brexit. Even if we get a resolution, there will still be an impact, albeit less. I really don't care what the Political meanderings are, from either side, its just the position we are in and have to deal with accordingly. In some respects Liverpool is in a positive position, such as additional air and shipping freight, but on the negative side, loses the financial support from the E.U. It is what it is.
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Post by monty on Dec 18, 2020 16:40:12 GMT 1
I’m not monitoring FR24 too much at the moment but are there generally many AN-12s still operating? There didn’t seem to be too many in European skies a couple of months ago (or I couldn’t see them) and I’m just wondering as to why we had quite a few in this time last year but now none yet the freight is still there. I appreciate it’s market forces and price etc but to go from a lot of visits from a variety of operators to zero seems odd. Did any operators go bust over the last year?
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Post by robaero on Dec 18, 2020 16:56:11 GMT 1
Quite a few Antonov movements in and out of Birmingham Airport lately including AN 12, AN26 Aircraft.
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Post by monty on Dec 18, 2020 17:01:50 GMT 1
Thanks for the info, that’s good that they’re still operating but it would be nice to see them in these parts again. The JOTAS and Klassjets are flying the same routes as last year it seems.
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Post by dalten1 on Jan 19, 2021 10:21:51 GMT 1
Switch of AWC flights to Manchester. Does anyone have a logical reason why only AWC has switched it's flights to Bratislava to Manchester. Speculation not allowed.
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Post by viscount on Jan 19, 2021 11:46:49 GMT 1
I thought this had already been answered a number of posts back - they wished to operate at times when Liverpool had no fire (and possibly ATC) cover ie is shut to commercial flights. Clearly staffing rotas have to be arranged well in advance - and are timed to cover scheduled flights with regular timetables eg Loganair, and the very few Wizzair, Blue Air, Ryanair and EasyJet services remaining flying. Effectively JLA is just open early mornings and early evenings for the Loganair Isle of Man 'lifeline' connection, with extensions to those periods for any other flights in the advance programme for the week ahead. Football team charters are programmed well in advance, so JLA management can include their needs when compiling staffing requirements and rotas. Operators are warned of the periods of open/close by NOTAMs - a system of 'airside' communication between airport operations.
With the additional requirement this time around for Covid pre-testing and many EU nations requiring proof of residency before admitting passengers, schedules have been hit even harder than previously - and signs seems to be that the airlines have given up hope for the winter scheduling period, with a hope of re-establishing scheduled services during the last week of March with the introduction of summer schedules (with the exception of a few brought back for February half-term).
While we have seen some flexibility in opening and closing times for smaller freight aircraft and delayed passenger departures, for larger aircraft arrivals when full RFFS staffing is required, plus fully operational ATC and ground handling, it is simply uneconomic to employ staff for longer periods, or bring them in with no prior notice, for them then to just be sitting around waiting for a cargo flight that fairly frequently runs late, or even cancelled.
Totally as an aside observation, I treat the application of double standards by our principal site speculator not permitting speculation with just a touch of wry humor.
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Post by dalten1 on Jan 19, 2021 16:17:23 GMT 1
Thanks Viscount. Back in my box.
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