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Post by LPL on Jun 12, 2024 15:47:45 GMT 1
This is not true. It’s fundamental to unlocking additional capacity across the wider north west and addressing significant capacity issues at the two largest and most congested stations Manchester Piccadilly and Liverpool Lime Street. The Lime Street solution actually uses a larger station at Liverpool Central hence the need for the new line. But it does not need to go via Manchester Airport, that is not making connecting Liverpool and Manchester and the rest of the north faster, in fact you will arrive in Manchester from Liverpool in the same amount of time as now. I'm totally against a line that is not needed and will suck business away from Liverpool Airport particularly if no improvements in transportation happens here. TBF its said to be faster. One minute faster. If this gets built that airport will have High Speed Rail, regional rail, local rail, trams, motorway and local roads. Meanwhile LPL has one dual carriageway serving the airport.
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Post by ametyst on Jun 12, 2024 17:00:09 GMT 1
Why waste any of that £17 billion on a rail link to the airport, that will be of limited use and benefit, as Andyh says.
The rail option will not serve the first and late waves. Rail union working conditions will probably mean a service between 7am and 10pm. No benefit over the bus.
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Post by ametyst on Jun 12, 2024 17:11:42 GMT 1
A good plug for the airport, from a contestant on a BBC Game Show called "The Finishing Line" this evening.
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Post by silvercity on Jun 12, 2024 17:28:37 GMT 1
Why waste any of that £17 billion on a rail link to the airport, that will be of limited use and benefit, as Andyh says. The rail option will not serve the first and late waves. Rail union working conditions will probably mean a service between 7am and 10pm. No benefit over the bus. But why waste 17 billion to build a rail link to an airport that already has one ? You could electrify the CLC line make it 4 lines where possible, that would much cheaper. I don't see we need more than 2 lines between Manchester and Liverpool. Then perhaps some of the 17 billion could be used to improve transport to this airport. Whatever it is, it should be better than now ,sitting in the traffic. And again a rail link to Liverpool Airport could also serve Hale and Speke Estate, which has poor transport links.
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Post by ametyst on Jun 12, 2024 17:40:38 GMT 1
How often does anyone sit in traffic trying to get to Liverpool airport? I never have
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Post by LPL on Jun 12, 2024 17:45:32 GMT 1
Why waste any of that £17 billion on a rail link to the airport, that will be of limited use and benefit, as Andyh says. The rail option will not serve the first and late waves. Rail union working conditions will probably mean a service between 7am and 10pm. No benefit over the bus. Merseyrail operates from 5am to just after midnight. Buses need roads to run on and as it is now its gridlocked from the LSP turn all the way up to JLR. At 10pm last night I couldnt cross Speke Blvd / Speke Road. Soon the Estuary Budiness Park is going to get an enormous logistics shed, more pressure on the road system that cant cope fully now.
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Post by andyh on Jun 12, 2024 17:56:18 GMT 1
Stop obsessing about the station at Manchester Airport. That’s a tiny bit of a much, much bigger project and it will probably only happen if MAG can find the funds to build it. And if you had done the tiniest bit of research you would know that the station isn’t even going to be on airport land and will probably need a bus link.
Increasing capacity at Liverpool Central and Lime Street will provide massively greater benefit to the region than a rail link to Speke Estate and the Airport (which, for the umpteenth time LJLA almost certainly wouldn’t have the money to contribute to). Same goes for Manchester Piccadilly. The line then carries on across the Pennines to the North East.
And as has been stated before the money is allocated by government for this specific project, nothing else.
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Post by ametyst on Jun 12, 2024 18:00:08 GMT 1
The first Merseyrail service from the city centre towards LSP is 06:15 ant the last train back to town is at 23:10
As always, your experiences are different to mine. I regularly travel to and from LSP and Liverpool airport and have never experienced gridlocked roads. I think it would be highlighted on commercial forums if that was the case.
If the road was gridlocked at 10pm last night why didn't you walk between the "stationary" traffic?
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Post by LPL on Jun 12, 2024 18:03:56 GMT 1
it will probably only happen if MAG can find the funds to build it......the money is allocated by government for this specific project
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Post by andyh on Jun 12, 2024 18:09:57 GMT 1
it will probably only happen if MAG can find the funds to build it......the money is allocated by government for this specific project To be clear, the government money is allocated for the railway between Liverpool and Manchester. Intermediate stations like the one proposed at Manchester Airport will require a mix of local authority and private sector contributions.
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Post by LPL on Jun 12, 2024 18:10:25 GMT 1
The first Merseyrail service from the city centre towards LSP is 06:15 ant the last train back to town is at 23:10 As always, your experiences are different to mine. I regularly travel to and from LSP and Liverpool airport and have never experienced gridlocked roads. I think it would be highlighted on commercial forums if that was the case. If the road was gridlocked at 10pm last night why didn't you walk between the "stationary" traffic? Walk? What would I have done with my car?
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Post by silvercity on Jun 12, 2024 20:32:01 GMT 1
How often does anyone sit in traffic trying to get to Liverpool airport? I never have You must go at 3am then
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Post by silvercity on Jun 12, 2024 20:34:02 GMT 1
Stop obsessing about the station at Manchester Airport. That’s a tiny bit of a much, much bigger project and it will probably only happen if MAG can find the funds to build it. And if you had done the tiniest bit of research you would know that the station isn’t even going to be on airport land and will probably need a bus link. Increasing capacity at Liverpool Central and Lime Street will provide massively greater benefit to the region than a rail link to Speke Estate and the Airport (which, for the umpteenth time LJLA almost certainly wouldn’t have the money to contribute to). Same goes for Manchester Piccadilly. The line then carries on across the Pennines to the North East. And as has been stated before the money is allocated by government for this specific project, nothing else. So it probably won't happen anyway on costs grounds because the country is broke.
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Post by silvercity on Jun 12, 2024 20:36:36 GMT 1
The first Merseyrail service from the city centre towards LSP is 06:15 ant the last train back to town is at 23:10 As always, your experiences are different to mine. I regularly travel to and from LSP and Liverpool airport and have never experienced gridlocked roads. I think it would be highlighted on commercial forums if that was the case. If the road was gridlocked at 10pm last night why didn't you walk between the "stationary" traffic? What would he have done with his car then, what a daft comment. Anyone who thinks Speke Boulevard is a quiet little used backwater is living in cloud cuckoo land. Crazy.
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Post by silvercity on Jun 12, 2024 20:38:31 GMT 1
I'm amazed at the lack of vision here. The sort of non ambition that holds Liverpool back.
Good night
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