Scary but True.

[Biggles]

A German View on Islam - worth reading. This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’

‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

‘We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’

‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’

‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’

‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’

‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’

‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’

‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores.’

‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’

‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it's too late, and we are silenced because, we were silent!!!

[kevmul]

Interesting article Biggles, and certainly food for thought!

Makes me think of that well known quote, often attributed to Edmund Burke -

'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing'

Where will it all end?

Kev

[Biggles]

The best thing about the article apart from the truth of his comments which coincide nicely with Burke`s deductions, is that it`s not the slightest bit racist, meaning nobody can complain about the content.

[ronturner]

Almost not reported in the British media, if you live in the area now controlled by ISIS, and are not a muslim, indeed not a sunni muslim, you now have a choice of destiny.

Convert to their brand of Islam, pay special taxes or face death.

All non sunni mosques, shrines and churches are being demolished.

Is this not as close to Nazism as we have been recently and shall we sit and do nothing? (Persecutions and Krystalnacht)

These are difficult decisions when we know that the rise of these groups is in large part due to interventions by the Blair/Bush axis of evil.

Maybe we should reciprocate rather than enduring another war ending in Hiroshima fashion.

[Biggles]

I have noticed with some concern the news and press reports of the conflict happening in Gaza between Israel and Hamas.
For some unknown or not openly stated the news reports especially from the BBC always sway the news to make Israel the aggressors no matter what atrocity Hamas inflict even during ceasefires instigated by Israel, the latest of which saw Hamas fire more than 20 ground to ground missiles ?
The world is seriously going certifiably insane.

[ronturner]

For me, the conflict in Gaza is a difficult one too.
I have always had sympathy with the Palestinian people, but it has been severely tested by violent actions starting way back with aircraft hijackings, an event which in retrospect can be seen as the moment when air travel ceased to be fun.

Perhaps if I had been made homeless by a land grab I would be violent too, or maybe I would do the other thing and try to get out to Europe or USA.

On the other hand I have admired the way that Israel has been built into a prosperous land, determined to keep what they have, never again to be rounded up and exterminated, but I can not see why it is necessary to keep expanding into new areas.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, the one thing of which we can be certain is that a new wave of children and young people are destined to continue the fight for years to come.

I have many Jewish and several Palestinian friends, all desperate to see and end to it. By a strange irony, one of my Palestinian friends was displaced about 13 years ago and now lives in Kuwait, and several of my Jewish friends are from families displaced from Morocco and Egypt in the 1960s and 1970s and now live in France.

I see the evil men of Islam and the zealots of Jewry as occupying the same pews on different sides of the "church"

It is partly why, having been brought up in a church going Christian background, I have come to realise that religion is all fake and a catechism to be manipulated by evil doers.

[johnoakes]

The most sickening thing I find here and in the British press is the way certain political parties are trawling for the vast moslem vote--appeasement starts here should be their motto.

But don't worry--there is no end to this tidal wave but you WILL learn to live under Sharia.

Think I am a pessimist?
Think I exaderate?

Look around at moslem controlled marginal seats and the power islam wields over political parties--talk about divide and conquer.

look at the little towns that are now no go areas for you and I.

Look at the cities where the idea of a white(sorry if that is racist!)mayor is just unthinkable--and these areas do NOT diminish--like cancer they merely silently spread.

Everyone thinks its just happening elsewhere UNTIL it arrives on THEIR doorstep--then they begin to realise it's just TOO late.

We can all write our little comments ,we can all rail at the turn of events but WHO is going to stand up and be counted?

The penalty--as we have all seen in Holland ,is to be butchered in the street--not by a moslem but by a fanatic--how convenient.

Anybody else read "Satanic Verses?" try it and see.--and the views in the koran on the Jews will make your hair stand on end.

But hey--fight back against people who kidnap, torture and kill your teenagers--fire rockets at your schools and hospitals and you are a Nazi--and the world press will condemn you.

I am not jewish nor do I have close friends of that religion but they really are in the front line--and I have a great feeling of sorrow for the innocents who have been killed in this and the other wars raging in the name of islam.

Perhaps we as an Imperial Nation should have taken more notice of T E Lawrence in 1918 when we decided to stir this pot--his Seven Pillars of Wisdom is also worth a read if you have time.

Sorry if this sounds so pessimistic but if you were an Egyptian Copt ,an Armenian(where I do have friends!) or any Christian minority in the world you would feel disempowered and very vulnerable today--try being a Christian in reasonably civilised Pakistan.AND the world press are NOT beating a path to their doors--far too dangerous and not really newsworthy.

Yes this has been a rant but the ostrich principle is taking over and many people think it is all going to go away--sorry folks but it is not--these changes are permanent--accommodate or move away.

Soon there will be nowhere to move to.

[bluefox]

So many points here, so grave and worthy of concern. In the 21st century Christians are being crucified, the little children of Palestine are being crucified too. I am a Christian, for so long we have been praying for justice and peace in all situations everywhere, we pray at Mass and in our homes. I don't want to sound like I am preaching, for a scripture scholar I am not, but I would like to commend the Prayer to St Michael to all Christians, everywhere.

[andyh]

Sadly we've had this debate before. I wonder what basis some of the posters on this thread use for their evidence. If its reports in the Mail and Express or the rubbish touted by UKiP then I'm not surprised you see the world the way you do. I'm more surprised you see the UK the way you seem to, as the evidence doesn't really support you. No go areas? Really? Where, exactly. Massive Muslim vote? How's that then at a huge 4.8% of the population...Many of whom are too young to vote? You can find as many entries in the Old Testament to make your hair stand on end as you can in the Koran and there are a fair few right wing Christian Fundamentalists who take that part of the Bible as seriously as Islamic fundamentalists do their text.

As for Gaza, well that's a different problem altogether and one that is truly saddening. However it's also another situation where truly objective journalism is hard to come by.

[digit]

Aug 1, 2014 21:14:17 GMT 1 andyh said:

As for Gaza, well that's a different problem altogether and one that is truly saddening. However it's also another situation where truly objective journalism is hard to come by.

Try The Independent or The Economist.

GC

[johnoakes]

AndyH
Don't want this to decend into a slanging match .

Check the following--Armenian massacre 1914-18

Moslem raids on Europe from Medaeval times and their castration camps in Sicily for males slaves/captives.

Current wars and persecutions worldwide including the extermination of minorities.
Of course we have other religious groups suicide bombing innocent people--killing in the street those who oppose their world kaliphate--I just can't think of any off hand--perhaps the World Trade Fair was an accident?

As a reader of NONE of the UK leftie press --not guilty--nor would I ever support ephemeral splinter groups without substance like UKIP.

As a former professional politician I feel I am entitled to an informed opinion as to how local and national political actually work.

A % of the population ---no one has ANY accurate figures but there are significant concentrations in key marginals.

It would be nice to live in a middle class ivory tower but as the son of a miner who has lived in Burnley and worked in Bradford I consider that I have first hand experience to support my opinions.

Please if this is to be a reasoned and FACTUAL debate ensure that your opinions have some substance either in fact--that can be verified --or some first hand experience that can be verified by others.

Otherwise you join Quizling and the other appeasers and are simply spreading Stalinist style disinformation and making the task of the extremists so much easier.

Comparing passages in the Bible to the bloodthirsty persecution of all Jews as advocated in the koran is a display of palpable ignorance.

I have discovered no other religious texts that advocate such actions in any form.

I would be very interested to know of any--please add to them the koranic verses vis a vis the koranic references to the Jews and write them up for us so that readers may compare and make up their own minds.

I end by saying that I am no Christian nor have I any political affiliations--I am merely an observer who searches for the truth.

AND I AM NOT AFRAID TO SHARE WHAT I SEE AND HAVE IT OBJECTIVELY SCRUTINISED.

[Biggles]

Anyone who thinks that the postings on here are unsubstantiated, just travel to a fanatical Muslim country and openly advocate building a Christian Church or just mention anything decrying fundamental view of the Koran, which is totally misrepresented by Islamic Fundamentalist supporters.
I have family members who are in the teaching world, do not underestimate what is happening in schools all over the country in attempts at ridding Christianity from the established education system and replace it with very dangerous ideas.

If these developments continue unchecked, by the time some people get their heads out of the sand they will be in for a massive shock.

[ronturner]

Some stuff I picked up on the internet:-



Over 700 people have died in Gaza as of this morning. Muslims have woken up around the world. But is it really because of the numbers?

Bashar al-Assad has killed over 180,000 Syrians, mostly Muslim, in two years -- more than the number killed in Palestine in two decades. Thousands of Muslims in Iraq and Syria have been killed by ISIS in the last two months. Tens of thousands have been killed by the Taliban. Half a million black Muslims were killed by Arab Muslims in Sudan. The list goes on.

But Gaza makes Muslims around the world, both Sunni and Shia, speak up in a way they never do otherwise. Up-to-date death counts and horrific pictures of the mangled corpses of Gazan children flood their social media timelines every day. If it was just about the numbers, wouldn't the other conflicts take precedence? What is it about then?



And something else I posted here recently, ISIS continue to persecute Christians and non Sunni Muslims too, in horrific ways including beheading, crucifixion, demolition of religious sites and even homes. You have to pick up this stuff on the internet and social media. It is not being covered by the mass media. Who is in charge of that agenda?

[copperbob]

I've watched this thread with interest and now feel it's right to give my opinion.

I am firstly replying to andyh's spiel. No go areas? well yes, there is plenty in this country. I was a Police Officer in inner city Birmingham for over 21 years, and I think that gives me a fair idea of what goes on in a multi cultural city and having policed the areas where you don't see a white face (in my view totally caused by Birmingham City Council ghettoising the various estates) Most of you I imagine live in middle class/working class Liverpool or Merseyside, where 90% of the population is white or classes themselves as white British. I myself being a born and bred Scouser, but having lived in the West Midlands for over 24 years I think I am qualified to say this.
Birmingham (let's say a 5 mile ring round the Bullring) is a massive hotch potch of different cultures, with the Muslim areas being vast, densely populated and trust me, certain areas are really "no go areas" for white people, especially women. Try the Stratford Road in Sparkbrook, or as it's known locally "the Mogadishu mile" with nearly 90+% of the locals being Somali immigrants, a really rough area, and violence is endemic and regular (1 murder less than two weeks ago and numerous stabbings etc daily) or Alum Rock, Washwood Heath, Small Heath areas which are 70+% muslim and really are dangerous places for white people to be or walk, certainly not after dark. And if you think I am over exaggerating, please come down and try for yourself, it's not recommended.
When I joined the Police in 1991 Muslims made up less than 10% of the prisoners we dealt with, now it's about 40-50% as a general rule in the city. It's a mix of immigrants (post Iraq, Afghanistan, but also many many UK born Muslims, who don't see themselves as British, but Pakistani etc) and the converts, which is a major problem with many converting to Islam in prison as it gives them better benefits, meals etc and less hassle from the majority of prisoners, who are muslim! Successive governments have washed their hands of this, and as someone rightly said, it's not happening as it's not in their back yard, but it soon will be.
As an aside, papers often say about the most popular boys name etc in this Country, whether is be James, or Jack, when most people know it's actually Mohammed, or the numerous variations of spelling (which goes into about 7-8 ways I know of) but if someone spoke out, they would be regarded as a racist. We all know it goes on, but people are frightened about being branded racist, or scaremongers etc. This country will suffer within our lifetime, certainly in our kids lifetime and the chances of civil unrest, and i'm not talking about riots a la Toxteth or Brixton, but serious civil unrest will come, within 10-15 years and it will be our fault, we who sit on our backsides, ramble on but do nothing. Even if we are frightened too, we must speak out.
If you want to look on youtube, there's a very good video made by a young woman from Luton about extremism in her town, and it's worth a look. It is frightening and I think gives us an idea of what to expect in the coming years. And even leafy suburbia will succumb one day. You've all heard about the Birmingham so called Trojan horse problems in schools, well, it's not a new thing, it's been going on for years.
As has been previously said, a lot of Muslims are law abiding, hard working individuals, but still won't integrate or be part of British society. And will bury their heads in the sand and deny there is extremism. We also all know the birthrate among British people was 2.4 children, and is now about 2.2 children per couple. In the Muslim community there are no reliable figures, but it's very much higher than 2.2 per household, so, the law of mathematics says eventually we will be in the minority! In many towns across the UK it's the Polish and other Eastern European immigrants that are keeping the "European" birthrate high.

[johnoakes]

The really sad thing about all of this is that Ron and I were talking seriously about this in the 1960s and he will confirm it.
Our concern then was the possible rise of fascism in our country--some would say these days that such a force would be the cavalry arriving to our rescue.

Desperate times can led to desperate solutions--Kemal Ataturk--is well worth a read regarding islam.

Thanks to all who are contributing to this thread--it's NOT becoming a slanging match but is remaining a mature debate--some of the facts are setting my hair up on end.

Sad sad days.

I wonder if the civilised world felt like this as the Roman civilisation crumbled around them and barbarity took over?

The shades of Oswald Mosely must weep at Britain today.--as do we all.