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Post by optimum1878 on Sept 24, 2015 19:13:58 GMT 1
Just watched George Osborne avoid saying the word Liverpool like the plague on north west tonight whilst being interviewed by the northern reporter in China,what an arrogant idiot of a man he is.
Good luck to Joe Anderson and the team in Shangai,they will have to do all their own work,because they will get no help from Osborne and his cronies.
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Post by calflier on Sept 24, 2015 19:28:37 GMT 1
Liverpool has no chance with this government whilst that little git! is charge of the purse strings,did he actually know he was being interviewed for a Northwest news programme,he went on about what the Tories were doing in Leeds and Newcastle,very good for them,but the question was about the North west,its about time he(George Gideon Osborne admitted Liverpool is not part of the so called Manchester based "Northern power house"
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Post by bulldog on Sept 24, 2015 23:20:49 GMT 1
At this is a topic that could develop very quickly on party political lines. I shall avoid such bias and name calling. However on the point of George being in China, it was stated in the paper today that we have just given China £3 million for some daft cause(isn't China now the 2nd/3rd biggest world economy? Then apparently George is looking for investment from China in HS2, why? We are fifth biggest economy ( well over trillion pounds a year) why do we need investment from China? I can just barely cope with the fact that they need to build our new nuclear reactors , as we haven't built one for so long we no longer have the skills to do it. Then an overseas government will have a degree of control over our infrastructure ( remember Die hard 4)
even with our new bridge the orange mould had to be made somewhere else in Europe as we seemingly can't make a bridge mould!, Hopefully the Tories pledge to increase expertise and engineering and exports will pay off as I feel that our sinking into a service based economy has left us far too exposed to the fluctuations of the rest of the world.
anyone who wishes to nominate me as the first president of the UK warmly welcomed, first task would be to force BA to re- instate Concorde and operate them from LJLA.
Sounds des like I'm off on one here, apologies.
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Sept 25, 2015 7:59:23 GMT 1
George - his real name is Gideon - is only reaping what Thatcher sowed. During her years the country was changed from manufacturing products to providing services such as banking and finance. Evidence is all around. Try buying a British mass produced car or any white goods. We only have Rolls Royce aero engines left as the car manufacturer is foreign owned. Ship building, mining and heavy industry were all sacrificed on the altar of Thatcherism. Things are just as bad today as the poor are bailing out the banks by absorbing savage cuts. This is the way it is and if you are Eton educated you cannot understand why people are complaining. Pass the champagne, Dave.
(As soon as i read the opening message I knew it would become political so I am getting my two-pennorth in before it is banned!)
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Post by johnoakes on Sept 25, 2015 8:03:12 GMT 1
Hi----I agree that this could easily develop into a silly political slanging match---so I will keep my comments brief and say that as an ex professional politician with now no allegiancies I feel I have to add my two pennoth.(That's Lancashire for offering an opinion.LOL)
Much of the foreign aid given out to industrialised countries is in the form of credits that have to be spent in the donor countries.
So, often we are giving these countries the cash to spend on British firms ,and in this way we can gain access to their markets on a long term basis--well that's the theory.
Too often in the past the aid has gone into the back pockets of corrupt politicians in sad regimes--you can fill in the names yourselves.
I feel that we would have more control and reap better benefits if instead of giving the money and expecting orders to come flooding in we ought to directly support our fledgling and established industries so that they can gain a foothold in the markets we seek
;It may be against all the rules but I bet the French are already doing it--hence their industrial success in the fields of aviation and shipbuilding and nuclear power stations.
The German example of only producing quality--despite recent scandals is not a bad one to follow.
My next car will still be a Volkswagen.
Aid is always going to be a thorny one--as the hand is often bit--but China giving GB credits to buy Chinese goods is not as ridiculous as it sounds if that is what is happening.---we would probably buy them anyway.
ps just read the previous political ranting comment---get over it and stop the forum degenerating into uneducated and historically incorrect Stalinism.
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Post by ronturner on Sept 25, 2015 10:07:11 GMT 1
Of all the names you could call George Osborne, idiot he certainly is not. He is one of the cleverest operators in politics.
As for manufacturing, i have said this before on this forum but as one who spent my working life in manufacturing, and successful at it, I take exception to the oft held view that the uk makes nothing anymore.
At The end of my career, I was responsible for the output of four factories and the two UK ones were the best. We got ourselves into that position because Mrs Thatcher created the working environment for us to,innovate, change and grow. There is more going on in manufacturing than most people care to know. The problem is, and always have been that it is not seen as glamorous, so hidden from view. TV programmes portray engineers as wearing greasy overalls, Coronation Street being a prime example. Little wonder that it is not seen as an obvious choice for young men and women.
Its true that some of our bigger previously inefficient nationalised industries have disappeared. Good and bad in this but at least the taxpayer, is not picking up that tab any more. The French have a better way, but it has been at the expense of a very expensive civil service and high taxes in the form of subsidies, now illegal under EU law.Never to be forgotten that the successful French aircraft industry depends upon British Wings, British undercarriages, a large number of British Engines and loads of other stuff in the electronics arena.
The demise of our civil aeroplane assembly industry is down to two opposite forces. The idiocy of the golf club mentality style of management which tried to run the industry in the 50,s and 60,s, and the actions of the Wilson government, specifically Tony Benn, who denied our aircraft industry of development funds in order to fund Upper Clyde Shipbuilders. It Was left to Edward Heath's government to rescue the engine industry by nationalising Rolls Royce.
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Post by bulldog on Sept 25, 2015 12:47:50 GMT 1
Ron
I think I read somewhere that by value with British engines that value of every Airbus is about 50% UK produced. The 787 also has a large UK content, so although we may not put the bits together we make the important techy bits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 17:22:25 GMT 1
A similar situation applies with Dyson. He was slated for moving production to China (which anyone else would have done because it makes economic sense), but the design and innovation centre is in the UK and employs a lot of graduates and other very skilled people. They are world-leaders in innovation, and by no means unique. But as Ron says, the media don't understand engineering or industry in general. they only understand celebrities, sport and politics, and sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between the three of them.
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Post by ronturner on Sept 25, 2015 18:35:16 GMT 1
Interesting that Dyson should be mentioned, as that is another outfit I am very familiar with. First set up in Chippenham in a very small unit, ( I think,everybody knows his story about persevering against the odds),the company moved to a vacant but fairly modern Factory in Malmesbury, Wilts. A town of some 5000 population thus housed Philips telecoms research facility and the growing Dyson company. Every family had somebody working there and we grew as a big family. Eventually the production went to Malaysia, but nobody at Malmesbury was laid off as there was plenty of work for everyone.
James often flew in his helicopter to the grass strip where I kept my ,172, I left UK in 1972 but have always held an interest in Malmesbury.
In 2015 the Dyson company employs 5000 people in Malmesbury, all engineering, sales, admin and small scale production. Main production is still in Malaysia.the newly enlarged complex includes a heliport for three helicopters. There is a company Global Express Housed at Lulsgate. James' personal wealth is now more than £3 billion. ( not a typo) and he owns more land than The Queen. His next major invention will be agricultural.
This is a perfect tale of expertise in manufacturing, even though the screwdrivering is done thousands of miles away.
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Post by Biggles on Sept 26, 2015 1:28:36 GMT 1
Don`t you just love the name calling towards people who are in a government these people do not agree with. Thank goodness people like RT who have an educated input from the business side and not merley from a conflict of left wing ideology who would ike to see Britain bankrupted again as they clearly forgotten the letter left by the last Labour stating "Sorry there is NO money left"
I watched Jermey Corbin on TV tonight discussing Trident Nuclear Defence explain how he would cancel it and what he would spend the money on he had saved. GOD HELP us all. His and his supporters ideas of that and welcoming thousands more possible Jihadist into the country, handing The Falklands to his freinds in Argentina and rewarding IRA terrorists as heroes sound to me like our grandchildren need to take note and so does anyone with a modicum of patriotism.
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Post by johnoakes on Sept 26, 2015 7:43:02 GMT 1
I would not spend a second worrying about the current labour leadership.They are a throwback to a form of socialism slain by Mrs.Thatcher and despite the mouth to mouth attempts by the dinosaurial few to revive it it wil NEVER rise again.When she killed it off it was always going to stay dead.
Who is going to vote for the cost in income tax alone in renationalisation of basic industries? Only a moron would even consider it.
Time and reality has left these fossils on the shore whilst the world has moved on to a better place.We may not always like it but THIS is our reality.
As for a future Corbyn government---you could get a hernia laughing at the thought.
Looking forwards to another 20 years of capitalism and lower tax bills.LOL
Now that IS a rant.LOL
For those who do not quite grasp it--this is tongue in cheek.
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Post by maverick on Sept 26, 2015 13:41:56 GMT 1
Don`t you just love the name calling towards people who are in a government these people do not agree with. Thank goodness people like RT who have an educated input from the business side and not merley from a conflict of left wing ideology who would ike to see Britain bankrupted again as they clearly forgotten the letter left by the last Labour stating "Sorry there is NO money left" I watched Jermey Corbin on TV tonight discussing Trident Nuclear Defence explain how he would cancel it and what he would spend the money on he had saved. GOD HELP us all. His and his supporters ideas of that and welcoming thousands more possible Jihadist into the country, handing The Falklands to his freinds in Argentina and rewarding IRA terrorists as heroes sound to me like our grandchildren need to take note and so does anyone with a modicum of patriotism. ERM.. It was the banks that nearly bankrupted the country having to be baled out. True capitalism would have let them go under.. But of course the vested rich/elite couldn't have allowed that. Trident - oh what a good idea. Slash conventional defence so we can defend ourselves to the teeth. Exactly how is trident a defence? It could only ever be used as a retality weapon condemning many more millions of humans to anhilation. Remember one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. We don't seem to have a problem with Israel founded entirely on the back of terrorism nor nelson Mandela who was a terrorist in the early years. Think we need a new start in politics (not necessarily JC) and give up the tired outdated rightwing sun/mail reading views. Stop thinking only in black and white. Right or wrong. Left or right. |
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Post by planemike on Sept 26, 2015 23:03:22 GMT 1
"""This is a perfect tale of expertise in manufacturing, even though the screwdrivering is done thousands of miles away."""
Maybe so but if the manufacturing was in the UK there would be even more UK jobs....
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Post by ronturner on Sept 27, 2015 7:36:55 GMT 1
Probably the reverse.
If the Dyson vacuum cleaners were made in the UK, they would probably be more expensive, so sales would be less and the company would be less profitable. This means that less cash is generated for R&D and the other skills required to maintain innovation and new products. There are very few companies employing 5000 assembly workers. There are even fewer companies employing 5000 engineers and other high skill staff.
We have to trust that someone like Dyson , a true patriot by the way, has made the right decision for his company.
Maverick is correct about the banks. They have always screwed us and a sizeable number of greedy thieving bar stewards drove us almost to bankruptcy. A minuscule number of these offenders were brought to book. This had been going on for a long time but we had 16 years of Mr Prudence as Chancellor and PM at the worst of it. Not only did he allow the corruption to go on, but the same man sold our gold at the lowest price it had ever been at, and advertised it in advance. Greedy tories and their pals yes, perhaps but ineptitude and poor regulation has played a big part in the crises which the banks caused.
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Post by johnoakes on Sept 27, 2015 9:26:04 GMT 1
My final comment on all of this is --how galling it must be for all the blinkered lefties out there to realise that 13 years of socialist governments undid not ONE of Mrs.Thatcher's unpleasant but necessary reforms.
And they were in power when the banking scandal hit the fan. It happened on THEIR watch.
Selling the gold was a ploy to leave the tories with no reserves to fall back on--b££££££ the country for short term political gains.
Trying to turn back the clock to a former non existant golden age is little short of hysterical.
As for Liverpool--it will have to do as its always done--struggle to survive under the shadow of the Labour stronghold of Manchester.
I forecast a resurgence in the Liberal party and a reestablishment of this party in Liverpool especially. It may be the only way to go and could be a foundation for an even brighter future.
Let's hope a future regional transport infrastructure plan includes more routes from LJLA although its not doing badly standing more or less alone.
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