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Post by andyh on Apr 19, 2012 18:48:59 GMT 1
Another interesting fact arising from the Anna Aero report is that East Midlands, part of the Manchester Airport Group has lost five routes compared to last summer as well, so don't be fooled into thinking that this is purely a Liverpool issue. I think I'm also right in saying that there has been no recent growth out of Ryanair's other Northern base, Leeds Bradford.
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Post by steh on Apr 19, 2012 18:57:03 GMT 1
Another interesting fact arising from the Anna Aero report is that East Midlands, part of the Manchester Airport Group has lost five routes compared to last summer as well, so don't be fooled into thinking that this is purely a Liverpool issue. I think I'm also right in saying that there has been no recent growth out of Ryanair's other Northern base, Leeds Bradford. O'Leary did an interview last autumn where he hinted at growth at Leeds and Manchester, but Liverpool would stay static, although I dont think anything he ever says can be taken seriously. Most worrying for me was when Ryanair annoucned their big return to Manchester their Chief Exec said they wanted all the passengers lost to Liverpool and Leeds back. I personally couldnt care less if Ryanair left Liverpool providing another carrier stepped in to take their routes as the way they go about their business is nothing short of grotesque bullying. Given Manchester's tactics though, any airline that did try and step in at Liverpool could well find themselves being offered unbeatable new deals there, providing they dont fly from Liverpool. |
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Post by columbus on Apr 19, 2012 19:26:56 GMT 1
Yes, East Midlands lost 5 routes, how many were transferred to Manchester?
In addition to the lost routes, capacity has also been decreased at Liverpool and increased at Manchester to Reus, Murcia, Palma, Malaga and Faro
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Post by ezylpl on Apr 19, 2012 21:36:19 GMT 1
Personally I think that Ryanairs rapid expansion at manchester is just one of MOL's fads that will maybe last a couple of years before the bubble bursts and he will come trudging back to LPL, EMA, LBA etc.
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Ryanair will push some of the other low cost carriers out of manchester like Jet2, Thomson, Flybe, Norwegian, Air berlin etc. who could be tempted to start services from Liverpool.
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Post by columbus on Apr 19, 2012 23:04:36 GMT 1
Air Berlin has already stopped flying to Manchester, and I do not see them at Liverpool
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Post by panelman on Apr 20, 2012 8:17:33 GMT 1
When did Air Berlin stop flying from Manchester
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Post by vinnym on Apr 24, 2012 16:20:58 GMT 1
Travelled out to Faro from Liverpool on 17-04-12, counted 50+ empty seats on the flight, return flight today had a similar load. Considering I was originally supposed to fly out on 16-04-12 but flight was cancelled by Ryanair, so was moved onto the Tuesday flight. Looks like Ryanair have had a look at what they have sold and consolidated, and who can blame them from a business sense, I think their axing of routes has more to do with economics rather than a LPL v MAN thing as some people are suggesting
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Post by Biggles on Apr 24, 2012 19:25:51 GMT 1
It may be an economic thing as far as RYR`s fickle boss sees things, but as I mentioned a long time ago in this forum but as far as LPJL and RYR and EZY are concerned "eggs and baskets" came to mind.
At what point does the management at LPJL become concerned seeing what RYR are doing with airport route cancellations and routes being moved to to airports that had previously been used, but at a worse financial agreement than when it left previously ? That would really concern me if I was running a business, it should concern LPJL management unless there is a secret plan not being made public.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2012 22:23:37 GMT 1
Im not keen on Ryanair at all, and wouldnt choose them out of choice. If Liverpool could offer Jet2 (they go from BLK, so maybe, LPL is a bigger market) or Flybe (less likely considering their past comitment at LPL) I'd be more than happy to use them. Mind you, would rather have KLM back !
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Post by freqfly on Apr 25, 2012 1:38:01 GMT 1
They also have a large operation at Manchester so it wouldn't currently make any sense. Ive not had contact with anyone at Jet2 for over six months, but I know Liverpool was not one of the airports being considered for expansion. I dont know the ones that have been looked at (commercial sensitivity), but I know which ones do not/didn't feature in their plans.
IMO (In my opinion ;D) the airport will be looking at airlines flying routes from other airports, as opposed to basing more aircraft. Another hub operation, perhaps Flybe to CDG with their Airfrance code-share, or possibly the return of Aer Lingus, would probably fit well. Also do not forget that it is not only airlines that benefit from consolidation at times, and the airport may well be pursuing that very same thing.
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Apr 25, 2012 6:58:20 GMT 1
What is "IMO"? Can we stick to standard English, please, so that I know what is going on?
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Post by andyh on Apr 25, 2012 7:39:00 GMT 1
IMO = In My Opinion.....
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Apr 26, 2012 8:21:12 GMT 1
The topic is 'Ryanair to axe routes' but, if there are so many abbreviations in use within the text that it makes it impossible to follow the thread, then I wonder why I am still on here. Normal people, who had an old fashioned education, are not aware of these so-called fashionable abbreviations. I am left wondering why I continue to read this topic, or any other, for that matter. Can we get back to normal written language and back to the topic. It's a fact of economic life at the moment that airlines will trim their operations to suit their business plans. The double dip recession we have just entered is not going to help and the sooner the Government realises that restrictions such as Air Passenger Duty are harming the industry, the better. Non-abbreviated comments welcome.
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Post by baldyman26 on Apr 26, 2012 9:27:09 GMT 1
It's a fact of economic life at the moment that airlines will trim their operations to suit their business plans. The double dip recession we have just entered is not going to help and the sooner the Government realises that restrictions such as Air Passenger Duty are harming the industry, the better. Non-abbreviated comments welcome. We havn't just entered a double dip recession though, that is a technical term that describes the last 2 quarters of negative growth. Air passenger duty isn't harming the industry at all. It is all factored in the price and an excuse the airlines can use to justify cutting routes, and seeking out more profitable airports. Fuel prices, cost of borrowing, banks and cash flow are the real issue. Think of it like drilling for oil. Liverpool is bumping along quite happily, but new oil has been found at Manchester (i.e cheap landing fees and new passenger target areas) so everybody rushes there to cash in. When that oil starts to run out, (or in other words passenger numbers fall off after the initial excitement, or competition picks up at Liverpool) no doubt new oil will be found back again at Liverpool. It is called business, Ezy and ryr exist to make money in any way they see fit. That is what they are doing, at the expense of us. |
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Post by liverpoolman1 on Apr 26, 2012 9:58:59 GMT 1
Air Passenger Duty not harming the airline industry? Can't agree there. Taking Air Passenger Duty out of the seat cost means that more people will consider flying. Reducing the cost of anything creates demand. Demand is what industry - not just the airline industry - needs at the moment.
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