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Post by sfp on Aug 31, 2012 9:57:20 GMT 1
Re #12 The Liverpool John Lennon Airport Consultative Committee has wide representation from a number of groups as you will see from the list in the minutes. The presentation on the proposed changes was given to one of the regular meetings. It was not a consultation meeting called specifically for the one item
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Post by davel on Aug 31, 2012 15:09:52 GMT 1
Habu, the footpath will remain unchanged by these proposals according to the airport.
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Post by Speke-EZY on Aug 31, 2012 16:42:27 GMT 1
Thanks for your reply re footpath access Davel.
Having looked at the fence-building work in progress this morning,I do wonder why it is deemed necessary to erect a new perimeter fence along a section which will eventually be enclosed within the expanded airport boundary if that stretch of Dungeon Lane is to be closed and itself fenced in.
Does all this activity mean that the enhanced cat.3 ILS will soon be up and running within the appropriate protected area?
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Post by LPL on Aug 31, 2012 18:54:38 GMT 1
Having looked at the fence-building work in progress this morning,I do wonder why it is deemed necessary to erect a new perimeter fence along a section which will eventually be enclosed within the expanded airport boundary if that stretch of Dungeon Lane is to be closed and itself fenced in. Does all this activity mean that the enhanced cat.3 ILS will soon be up and running within the appropriate protected area? Its all part of improving the ILS etc inline with CAA regs. ie if it isnt done then the CAA will take measures.
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Post by davel on Sept 1, 2012 10:18:51 GMT 1
The fence work is due to pressure from the CAA. It should stop people from parking under the flight path ie between the traffic lights. The CAT3 problem will not be resolved until the mound is removed and the closure of Dungeon Lane is complete.
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Post by Biggles on Sept 1, 2012 17:59:57 GMT 1
What makes these people think that a NEW FENCE will stop idiotic drivers stopping under the flight path ? The need to renew driver awareness not fences. Better still CCTV and impose serious fines.
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Post by viscount on Sept 1, 2012 19:02:43 GMT 1
Biggles, as the photos on this thread show, the new fences (wooden across the threshold, chain link and barbed wire further out) are a short-term immediate measure to re-inforce the boundary along the current road - nothing to do with road use or miss-use.
The, as soon as legally approved, plans being put forward by the Airport are to close and rip-up the road across the threshold and to fence the field out from the runway end, preventing access by anyone as the new enclosure will have no gates, open only onto the airfield. This is everything to do with CAA requirements to stop all traffic - both legitimate, and the idiots that stop on the double yellow lines - across the threshold! CCTV and fines might solve a current double yellow line enforcement issue, however the CAA want no traffic at all - not even by ATC employees!
Access to the Control Tower (and any tenants still in the Dungeon Lane properties) will be via Bailey's Lane and the section of Dungeon Lane river side of the boundary. This road will be gated just past the houses on Bailey's Lane (by the horse farm fields) - roughly where there is currently a barrier closing Bailey's Lane to vehicular traffic.
It would appear that pedestrian access may well still be possible to the 27 mound region, but via a hike around the new extended boundary fence, the plans showing a new footpath to be created along the fence line from Hale Road to access the Mersey Way footpath.
I'll try and sketch out the changes that affect us on the Airport's plans and post later this weekend, as there seems to be confusion on the forum as to what is being proposed, particularly by those not regular visitors to the 27 mound.
What is not on the plans, but promised on paper, is an alternative Spotter's viewing area. I have no idea where this is proposed for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 21:27:02 GMT 1
Will we still be able to park in the GA area? If so, I can see Halfords doing a roaring trade in Bikes, roof bars, and cycle carriers. Do you think FoLA could ask for a cycle rack to be installed on the mound . Just a thought......... if Beemer's up to cycling, he may even get the chance to change his name to British Eagle .
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Post by Beemer on Sept 1, 2012 21:35:45 GMT 1
Beemer used to cycle from Runcorn to St. Helens every day to work until a couple of years ago. Twenty-six miles round trip so he is used to cycling, thank you. Regards Beemer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 22:05:26 GMT 1
Have to take my hat off to that Brian. Puts my 14 mile round trip to work (which I don't do as often as I should as I'm a fair weather cyclist) to shame.
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Post by LPL on Sept 2, 2012 11:21:24 GMT 1
What makes these people think that a NEW FENCE will stop idiotic drivers stopping under the flight path ? The need to renew driver awareness not fences. Better still CCTV and impose serious fines. You wont be able to get under that part of the flight path because the wooden fence (at the runways end) you see in the photo is the first of two, the other being metal. The second fence will be a fence that will go around a much enlarged perimeter.
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Post by Speke-EZY on Sept 2, 2012 14:30:59 GMT 1
Why not...
build any new access roads/footpaths FIRST?
fence off the new restricted area LAST when the alternative routes are in place?
avoid wasting time and money doing things backwards and/or TWICE???
Welcome to Liverpool!
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Post by viscount on Sept 2, 2012 15:25:45 GMT 1
Habu, Disagree. The relatively simple wooden roadside fencing 'between the traffic lights' is a very necesary re-inforcing of the boundary fencing - which in places barely exists! An immediate fix, pending the outcome of the legal planning consultation involved in closure of a public road, which could be a protracted legal proceedure. The new high wire fencing, currently being errected along the roadside by the 27 mound, will be part of the new airport perimeter fencing line - so is sensible advance action, not 'muddled' thinking. There are no new roads to be built first! The plans as submitted only show re-opening, closure by barrier and closure with destruction of roads. I'm working on a map to explain (my interpretation of) the consequences of the changes proposed, which I'll post shortly. post shortly. Seen from the back of the mound car park today (Sunday), the line of fencing poles prior to wire being affixed.
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Post by Beemer on Sept 2, 2012 15:33:29 GMT 1
"I'm working on a map to explain (my interpretation of) the consequences of the changes proposed" Cartography as well, this Administrator has many strings to his bow. Regards Beemer.
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Post by LPL on Sept 2, 2012 15:47:00 GMT 1
Why not... build any new access roads/footpaths FIRST? fence off the new restricted area LAST when the alternative routes are in place? avoid wasting time and money doing things backwards and/or TWICE??? Welcome to Liverpool! The roads are in place. They are building the inner wooden fence at the runway end and then the metal perimeter fence.
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