|
|
Post by conradmueller on May 24, 2009 16:03:49 GMT 1
According to TAS, KLM ist dropping KL 1093/4 from MAN to AMS from End of June. That may stablilize the evening LPL-flight.
|
|
|
|
Post by wardmanstuart on May 27, 2009 13:08:53 GMT 1
In reply to conrodmueller,i would not take everything T.A.S say seriously,i have just looked on the K.L.M website and you are able to book on the KL1093/4 untill at lease the middle of September i didn`t check any other dates.
Good luck to Everton
Stu the Blue
|
|
|
|
Post by khardwk on Jun 1, 2009 0:04:43 GMT 1
Happy 75th Birthday KLM!
Yes, it is exactly 75 years ago today (on the 1st of June 1934) that KLM first started its Liverpool to Amsterdam route!
The first flight was operated by a Fokker XII, 14-seater aircraft (thought to be PH-AFV), and operated via Hull. KLM had a licence to carry domestic passengers LPL to/from Hull. The service subsequently operated every weekday and variously via Hull/Doncaster/Manchester for most months of the year until just before the outbreak of WWII in September 1939.
(See also info and photograph in Phil Butler's Illustrated History of Liverpool Airport books and FoLA Newsletter 09/27 for May 2009. The operation was the first scheduled service to be flown by a foreign airline to a UK provincial airport.
As you know - the service re-started on 29/03/2009 after a 'short' break, also with a Fokker aircraft, but this time a type 70.
Hopefully the Liverpool Echo and or Post will have a feature on the anniversary today.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2009 18:47:56 GMT 1
I have just returned home with KLM, and flew from Norwich to Amsterdam this lunch time, connected onward to Liverpool at 16.25 ex AMS
some figures, all services fokker 70.. KLM arrived at NWI and 32 pax got off.
The flight i was on KL1508 at 12.20 had 20 pax (inc myself) plus a child.
AMS-LPL KL1041 today at 16.25, 23 pax including myself, one being a child. I noted at least 4 passengers on AMS-LPL had transfered from long haul KL services, two were from SFO.
However none of these flight had very healthly loads.
Has anyone else seen how KLM is doing of late on LPL-AMS ?
Carl
|
|
|
|
Post by harbourcotter on Jun 21, 2009 0:28:52 GMT 1
Although it is nice to see KLM advertising in the local press this week, I was surprised at the destinations advertised, via AMS.
They were to destinations in Europe already served directly by the locos.
Why did they not instead advertise destinations which could not be served directly from LPL, such as Brussels, Cologne, Naples etc, and better still, long haul destinations?
It just seemed a bit of a wasted effort, although any advertising is better than nothing..
|
|
|
|
Post by maverick on Jun 21, 2009 11:01:21 GMT 1
Yes, couldn't agree more - seems like a very wasted effort.
Can't see anyone flying to Malaga and the like via Amsterdam when there are direct (and cheaper) flights.
KLM's efforts would better spent on the other 600 or so destinations they serve which aren't served directly from here.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ryanairflyer on Jun 21, 2009 11:38:58 GMT 1
Probably a mistake by the advertising department thinking that they should advertise the most popular routes from LJLA which obviously already have airlines serving them rather than the routes that are not served and are likely to be the most in demand for the interlining. *sigh* If people had common sense.......
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 23:40:45 GMT 1
Looks like KLM have upped the anti and are having a direct assault on our loco's. Don't forget existing JLA flights can not be booked through a travel agent but KLM's can.
If this is the reason they came here, then I don't think they will be here long as its a battle they could not possibly win. Lets hope its not why their here and that they have simply made a mistake with their advertising.
|
|
|
|
Post by kevmul on Jun 28, 2009 9:32:33 GMT 1
Just booking a trip to New York and comparing prices.
KLM from LPL - 1,195 for two
BA from MAN - 2,517
Other routes are comparable with KLM but mean a journey to Manchester to begin with.
No contest! ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by LPL on Jun 28, 2009 10:38:51 GMT 1
Just booking a trip to New York and comparing prices. KLM from LPL - 1,195 for two BA from MAN - 2,517 Other routes are comparable with KLM but mean a journey to Manchester to begin with. No contest! ;D Try Northwest via Amsterdam, usually even cheaper than KLM. www.nwa.com/ |
|
|
|
Post by northbynorthwest on Jul 9, 2009 7:01:46 GMT 1
Noticed a number of planned cancellations during the months of July/Aug. KL1041/1042 is xld on July 7/8/11/15/22/28/29.
KL1037/38 is xld on July 14/21. Did not see any cancellations of the KL1045/1034 night stopper. In August, it looks like the KL1041/1042 is xld most Tues/Wed. Obviously not a good sign, but with the tough economic environment, it is quite judicious to cancel what are probably the worst performing flights ahead of time. I am sure they have rebooked some people onto other LPL bound flights as well as via MAN.
Load-wise, the first flight out of LPL appears to be consistently the lowest loads (but not necessarily the lowest yielding), so obviously Easyjet are maintaining a loyal following out of LPL with businessmen heading to AMS. I also noticed that Easyjet are not lowering the frequencies of LPL-AMS during July/August as they have done the past couple of years when the early morning LPL-AMS-LPL rotations were cancelled to provide aircraft for extra flights to the Mediterranean. This is smart thinking in order to maintain their business flyer base.
Business class passengers are increasing slowly, with several flights having 5 or 6 up front, the majority of whom would be continuing in Business class out of AMS on long haul flights (still nothing like the loads up front out of other UK cities, but a start at least.) Hopefully, KLM are developing a loyal local following who are joining their frequent flyer club. They will be able to get some local passengers to book on KLM to some of the destinations served by other carriers out of LPL simply because they can differentiate themselves through their frequent flyer program and their quality product versus the cattle car / rip-you-off / in-your-face experience of Ryanair, or the cheap and cheerful experience of Easyjet - hence the targetted advertising of those destinations mentioned.
|
|
DC-10
New Member
formerly Hightower
Posts: 27
|
Post by DC-10 on Jul 9, 2009 7:12:03 GMT 1
|
|
|
|
Post by kevmul on Jul 9, 2009 9:19:59 GMT 1
Thanks for that DC-10
On the face of it the price looked very competitive, but when taxes were added, it still worked out more expensive than booking direct wih KLM.
On another note, it was nice to see an e-mail drop by LJLA pushing KLMs services targetting interlining to the far east. I'm sure both the company and the airport are happy with the way this route has started; it was always going to be diffcult during these economic times, but I'm sure the increase in both economy and business passangers will be seen as positive news for both.
|
|
|
|
Post by lpltcx on Jul 14, 2009 10:22:18 GMT 1
How have the loads been? anyone know what the load factors have been for April, May and June?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2009 14:45:46 GMT 1
Yes, be interested in the loads, the KLM service is very important to Liverpool Airport
|
|
